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  1. Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    Wow,can tell you live in NY! In NH open carrying a firearm is not grounds enough for the police to stop someone. If stopped you do not have to show id,unless they have good cause to stop you(open carry is not that cause!)

    Type in OC in youtube and see people in NH who are stopped for OC alone, they refuse to show it and the police let them go. Because they know they had no legal grounds to stop them.
    UHOH! Another anarchist frothing at the mouth insulting people!

    G50AE.... I think we have an addition to your list!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Add me to that list of Constitution Trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    New York, from what I have observed, is at the top of that list. Florida is probably second, and then Texas. It seems as if your legislatures' fear and/or disdain at the sight of an American wearing a gun filters down into the populace, even the "pro-gun", "pro-2a" populace. And there is almost always this "justification" for your anti-open carry opinion that the criminal is going to pick out the guy carrying the gun to attack. Which, simply, has not been recorded to happen in reality more than about once every 10 years.
    So let's take a look at NYS gun laws (not NYC). Articles 265 & 400 of the NYS penal law defines licensing and the criminal possession of a weapon. NY is concealed carry only. Permit takes 3-6 months for approval (due to large backlog). I've had only one student fail to obtain a permit in 20 years of teaching (due to a past felony). About 11% of the population has a CCW permit. Permit is valid for life, no renewals. No restriction on number of guns one can buy. It is lawful to carry in a bar, restaurant, state and county lands, banks, hospitals, public transportation, police stations, most county and city buildings, etc. You must check your gun before entering a courthouse which is understandable. NY is a discretionary issue state but won't deny a permit unless the applicant has a felony or person-on-person misdemeanor record, protection order or domestic violence conviction. The only "no guns" sign I've ever seen was at HSBC Bank. I can think of many "gun-friendly" states where the legislature is locked in heated debate about the right to carry in a restaurant or public transportation. We pretty much move about unmolested. NY also allows the use of deadly physical force to thwart the burglary of your home (S35.15 penal law) or in self defense where the risk of significant injury exists.

    One law I object to is the refusal to honor permits for out of state residents. A man's good nature doesn't change just because he enterred the state. What most don't understand is that upstate NY residents are regular folks with a large republican/conservative population. The problem is NYC. The state population is nearly 18 million and anbout 8 million of the residents live on a little 4X12 mile island called NYC. They are crammed in tighter than sardines, consist of many foreigners and vote democrat/liberal. In essence the state vote gets hijacked. Our republican state senate has kept the liberals from enacting strict gun control laws such as micro-stamping and ammo registration. The rest of the state is unfairly stuck with the NYC influence. Once you leave Manhattan, NYS is a beautifull state. Wooded, mountainous farming communities with great deer & bear hunting , fantastic trout fishing and some of the best mountain biking one could find.

    Now in NYC I'd have to take your side. Very hard to get a carry permit. Residents can get a permit for their home but it is expensive. Then again we consider NYC to be a foreign country. That's where the NY attitude comes from.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Don't forget about my band of trolls. I am sure you have been warned about them as well.
    Hey, I thought it was my band of trolls
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Thumbs up Revised List of NavyLT and Treo's Constitution Trolls.

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    13- Anyone else who has the stones to stand up for the bill of rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    1- NavyLT
    2- G50AE
    3- BigGayAl
    4- Treo
    5- Tucker's Mom
    6- Cathyinblue
    7- localgirl
    8- Swinokur
    9- SC Tiger
    10- S&WM&P40
    11- SGB
    12- Whoever kelcarry is growling at today.
    13- Anyone else who has the stones to stand up for the bill of rights.
    As a person who believes in the strict construction view of the constitution (remember, I didn't say OC should be illegal, I said I support the right but didn't believe it was a good tactical strategy) I'm interested in the point of view (for research pursposes) of those on this list. So a quick poll if you please...

    If someone murdered your child would you support his constitutional right upon release from prison to bear arms or do you think he should forfeit that right? Understanding of course that the death penalty forfeits that right.

    Do you believe you presently have a first amendment right to freedom of speech. Can you freely exercise that right without risk of criminal charges? Do you believe the first amendment gives you the right to say anything you want, anywhere at any time? For example, can you be asked for ID for exercising your first amendment right at a shopping mall?
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Constitutionalist is indeed close kin to anarchist. An anarchist believes that government has no authority. A Constitutionalist believes that government has only the authority granted to it by the people. The tide in America, fueled by politicians and unhindered by a citenship only riding the tide, is moving towards Socialism.
    With that I can agree. However, to quote George Bernard Shaw, "If you leave the smallest corner of your head vacant for a moment, other people's opinions will rush in from all quarters." That is why I am hesitant to take other people's opinions as gospel. As I have said before, "Opinions are like rear ends. Everybody has one and they all stink." I do respect your opinion but, to me, it is rather aromatic so I will just leave it at that. And again, I do enjoy some of your posts.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    With that I can agree. However, to quote George Bernard Shaw, "If you leave the smallest corner of your head vacant for a moment, other people's opinions will rush in from all quarters." That is why I am hesitant to take other people's opinions as gospel. As I have said before, "Opinions are like rear ends. Everybody has one and they all stink." I do respect your opinion but, to me, it is rather aromatic so I will just leave it at that. And again, I do enjoy some of your posts.
    Which is why, regarding legal issues, I tend to refrain from expressing opinion based upon conjecture and unproven theory. Instead I post references to statutes and court opinions to disprove false statements.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    As a person who believes in the strict construction view of the constitution (remember, I didn't say OC should be illegal, I said I support the right but didn't believe it was a good tactical strategy) I'm interested in the point of view (for research pursposes) of those on this list. So a quick poll if you please...

    If someone murdered your child would you support his constitutional right upon release from prison to bear arms or do you think he should forfeit that right? Understanding of course that the death penalty forfeits that right.

    Do you believe you presently have a first amendment right to freedom of speech. Can you freely exercise that right without risk of criminal charges? Do you believe the first amendment gives you the right to say anything you want, anywhere at any time? For example, can you be asked for ID for exercising your first amendment right at a shopping mall?
    You are attempting to divert the relevent discussion of this thread away from rights infringements by law enforcement officers into a discussion about 2nd and 1st amendment rights of Joe Citizen. Typical strategy of persons who can't support their position on one topic, they try to shift the argument to something unrelated.

    What we are talking about is police interractions with persons who are engaging in no illegal behavior. We are talking about the possibly criminal behavior of those wearing badges and uniforms, not about giving guns to murderers and free speech.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    As a person who believes in the strict construction view of the constitution (remember, I didn't say OC should be illegal, I said I support the right but didn't believe it was a good tactical strategy) I'm interested in the point of view (for research pursposes) of those on this list. So a quick poll if you please...

    If someone murdered your child would you support his constitutional right upon release from prison to bear arms or do you think he should forfeit that right? Understanding of course that the death penalty forfeits that right.

    Do you believe you presently have a first amendment right to freedom of speech. Can you freely exercise that right without risk of criminal charges? Do you believe the first amendment gives you the right to say anything you want, anywhere at any time? For example, can you be asked for ID for exercising your first amendment right at a shopping mall?
    Let me just say I did not add myself to the "band of trolls" nor did I ask to be added to the list, it was done by a third party without my knowledge!

    As a father of two girls and another child due in August, my wife and I have already talked about the issue of firearms being used on our children. We both have the point of view (much the same as the girls dad from the AZ shooting) if any of our children (god forbid!!) was to be shot and killed by a BG with a firearm we would not forsake all firearms/owners of them. We would blame the madman/woman/mental health system(if they had been know to been a nut) behind the firearm for taking our child!

    In this day and age when you can be charged with a felony for repeated jaywalking, I think we need to take another look at the loss of gun rights over a felony charge.

    For non violent felony charges I do not support removing that person gun rights for LIFE! Tax evasion, parking tickets and other crimes where the only victim is the government/city government are not reasons enough to remove that persons rights.

    I would even be open to letting them earn that right to own firearms back, after so many years of being a productive member of society.

    As for free speech, as the supreme court recently showed it does cover ones right to say whatever they want when they want. If a group of whack jobs can stand at a fallen service members burial and shout (god hates gay people, you got what was coming to you etc..) Then one could surely apply that same right to say completely off the wall things to any other place one wants.

    As for being in a shopping mall and using your free speech, yes you still have the right to your free speech in a shopping mall. But being that your now on private property they also have the right to ask you to stop or leave. They can ask you for your ID, but again you can refuse, but you risk them asking you to leave.

    Even if you got asked yo leave for exercising your First Amendment right to free speech, they could not stop you from standing at the entrance to the mall(on the public sidewalk) and counting to say what your saying.

    Sure if a officer did not happen to like what you are saying, they could arrest you. But in doing so they would open them self's and their department/city up to on hell of a lawsuit(I'm sure the ACLU would be all over it.)

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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