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  1. #71
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    As NavyLCDR said "After they VERIFIED that there was prescription medicine in the bag and that you were the proper person to which that medicine belonged, at that point any RAS that they had of a crime being committed was settled. Everything after that was a clear violation of your 4th amendment rights."

    Glad it ended with the kid's not to upset!. Hope they do not turn against officers over this incident. We see so many children loose respect for LEO these days. (Some of it our fault and some of it the situation fault) There are bad apples in every society. Don't know if the Troopers actions were intentional of he just did not know the laws involved in this incident. "or thought he knew"

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by NCIC105 View Post
    Glad it ended with the kid's not to upset!. Hope they do not turn against officers over this incident. We see so many children loose respect for LEO these days. (Some of it our fault and some of it the situation fault) There are bad apples in every society. Don't know if the Troopers actions were intentional of he just did not know the laws involved in this incident. "or thought he knew"
    I see two basic thoughts among kids regarding police. Either, as you stated, they have no respect at all for ANY authority, and that extends to police. Or they buy into the propaganda that the uniform and badge makes the person automatically trustworthy and to offer blind compliance to their requests without question.

    I don't see many kids today with a healthy middle ground. My daughter (15 years old) and my wife have seen and heard many discussions about dealing with police. My wife (we've been together for 3 years) always grew up with the police can do no wrong mentality. When we started discussing the reality of things, and what rights she really does have, mostly under the 4th amendment, she said, "It just never crossed my mind to say no to a police officer. I was taught to ALWAYS say yes." Scary, eh? When my daughter sees a police officer, I can see the twinkle in her eye - she just hopes she gets to see dad in action, who simply and politely declines to have any voluntary encounters with police officers, especially if such encounters are predicated by my lawfully carried and possessed firearm.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  4. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    When my daughter sees a police officer, I can see the twinkle in her eye - she just hopes she gets to see dad in action, who simply and politely declines to have any voluntary encounters with police officers, especially if such encounters are predicated by my lawfully carried and possessed firearm.
    It's good to educate the next generation of gunowners and constitutional trolls.

  5. #74
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    This will not be the end, but I will not allow the police to harass me as their personal security anymore! They will not speak to me without a lawyer again. I will not answer the smallest question. I'm not sure what more I can do to stop this, but I have been pushed all I am going to be! O and I had my 9 mil on me the whole time and the leos had no clue!


    I'll start and assume that everything you said is true. If you feel this way, you have justification, however, public statements like this will send you to jail if it comes to light during your trial, even if the shooting is otherwise righteous.
    Prove that your neighbor lied to the cops about your activities and the problems you are having will be your neighbor's problems.

    To the OP, I've taken narcotics every day since 1981 due to back damage suffered in an automobile accident. I feel very much better to keep alert, aware of what's going on around me, and able to respond to problems that arrive with the pain meds than I can without them.
    War to the Knife, Knife to the hilt.
    If we don't want to live in a trashy area, we all have to be willing to help pick up the trash.

  6. #75
    They had no right to search you.

  7. #76
    You guys r missing what the officers were doing asking questions. I'm retired LEO and here's what was going down. The officers removed the weapon from the citizens control for the next move. That move was questioning you on you using the meds that day not for the pistol sake but for driving there. What they were also doing was chatting with you some to see if you was in your right mind and not under influence of drugs. People get nervous if they r guilty of hiding something which when they discovered u was ok you was released. But to be a cop u see a lot of stuff happen in a moments notice. I've seen prescription bottles that belonged to the person u was checking out but upon opening the bottle, drugs would be in that bottle that were not prescribed to them. So all sorts of things are in the mix. Yes they might of blowed a bit of a smoke ur way but you walked. If they did not check you out in front of those 40 some witnesses standing there as their drug dog was hitting on ur bag and they did nothing they would have been the fool not to do nothing. Just think of what they saw, possible drugs in a bag hidden, children under ur control, and the weapon. Yes they could have taken u in for that urine / blood test, but like I stated earlier they talked with u some to see if u was ok. I have been in situations like this and u start talking with the actor and they will break and run. Later on u run a check on them, they have outstanding warrants and all sorts of stuff so u never know. Like I said they were just removing the weapon out of the mix before things went further.

  8. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard58 View Post
    You guys r missing what the officers were doing asking questions. I'm retired LEO and here's what was going down. The officers removed the weapon from the citizens control for the next move. That move was questioning you on you using the meds that day not for the pistol sake but for driving there. What they were also doing was chatting with you some to see if you was in your right mind and not under influence of drugs. People get nervous if they r guilty of hiding something which when they discovered u was ok you was released. But to be a cop u see a lot of stuff happen in a moments notice. I've seen prescription bottles that belonged to the person u was checking out but upon opening the bottle, drugs would be in that bottle that were not prescribed to them. So all sorts of things are in the mix. Yes they might of blowed a bit of a smoke ur way but you walked. If they did not check you out in front of those 40 some witnesses standing there as their drug dog was hitting on ur bag and they did nothing they would have been the fool not to do nothing. Just think of what they saw, possible drugs in a bag hidden, children under ur control, and the weapon. Yes they could have taken u in for that urine / blood test, but like I stated earlier they talked with u some to see if u was ok. I have been in situations like this and u start talking with the actor and they will break and run. Later on u run a check on them, they have outstanding warrants and all sorts of stuff so u never know. Like I said they were just removing the weapon out of the mix before things went further.
    More boot licking and badge polishing, refer to post number 75. That poster summed it all up.

  9. #78
    The dog gave them the right. probable cause

  10. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by ironmike86 View Post
    The dog gave them the right. probable cause
    Garbage, unless they had probable cause to let the cainine conduct a search, that's what a dog does when it sniffs around, or that search was consented to, then anything resulting from that search is "seeds of a poison fruit" and inadmisable. You can't use one bad search to get probable cause to perform another search.

  11. This may have been answered by the six other pages of postings between this page, and the original.

    In the original posting it was stated,
    Quote Originally Posted by trophyhunter View Post
    The lead Trooper said to me that if i was alone and didnt have my kids with me they would of taken me to their barracks and have my urine tested.
    My question is why would a law enforcement officer use that logic and say that? So, if you're alone I would arrest you, but since you're going to drive home with your children and possibly kill them, I'm going to give you a break.

    Did I miss something or does anyone notice that sounded a little weird on the officers part? If I was there and heard that, I would have brought up my previous point and ask they quit their job.

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