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    Encounter with State Police and K9 Today WOW

    Today Sunday 05 May 11 I took my Children for a ride in the country.We decieded to stop for lunch in the small Southern Tier Town we were in. Across the Street from the Little Diner,There was the State Police giving an seminar on Drug Awareness. Both my Daughters wanted to go and, see the dogs and, the State Troopers. Now, not even thinking I had my Napsack on my arm. And in my napsack was my Pain Pills from my
    recent back surgery. when we got close to the Troopers and, the dogs I set my napsack down to pick up my 4 year old she was a little frighten by the dogs. When all of a sudden the German Sheppard K9 started going crazy and scratching at my napsack. from this point the Trooper asked what was in my bag. I advised him it was my pain medication. when the other trooper approached he asked if he could look in my bag. Thank God that I didnt take any pain medicine today. The Trooper found the small bottle in my napsack and verified my name according to the perscription label. I was armed today and I advised the Trooper that I was carriyng. from here he asked if he could remove my weapon and make it safe. I agreed. from here I proceeded to retreive my drivers lic. and my Pistol permit. I was asked again if i had taken any of the pain medication today I said no. from this point I was read the riot act. Carrying an concealed weapon with pain medication( Not a good or, smart move on my part) after everything was verified by the troopers. The lead Trooper said to me that if i was alone and didnt have my kids with me they would of taken me to their barracks and have my urine tested. I learned a very hard lesson today. the Troopers were all very professional not at any time did they treat me badly. Im still kicking myself in the A_ _
    for doing that. It just goes to show one little mistake can get ugly really fast. the worse part of the whole process was having this happen in front of my children and a crowd of around 40 poeple. very Embarrassing for me. I never in a million years would think something like this could happen. Hats off to the State Police they handled everything very Professional. Im just glad it was them and not some small town Sherriff. after all that was done we decieded to leave that small town and eat lunch else where. i was to beside myself with Embarrassment to stay in that town and NEVER,NEVER CARRY PAIN MEDICINE WHEN CCWing even if your not taking any. I know or thought, I knew better than that. I have become a little to relaxed, pertaining to carrying. I will not make that Mistake again.
    NRA,NYCCW,PALTCF,FLCCW,ARCCW,DCM,NYSRPA,SCOPE

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    Are you detaining me Officer or am I free to go ?
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    I am glad you came out of this without so much of a scratch. I might remember that myself when I travel -- to keep my medicines separate from me and my carry. Thank you for telling us this story. Something to remember and take care.

    Take care...
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    Removing a gun from a holster for safetying the weapon? WTF? A holstered weapon is safe. Most police officers are not that familiar with firearms and only basically know their own sidearm. They took a huge risk and risked the safety of the 40+ people there for no real cause. If this happened to me, I don't think I would boasting accolades about law enforcement handling of it.

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    So, EXACTLY which LAW/STATUTE/ORDINANCE did they CLAIM you were breaking? The dogs alerted to the backpack. That was RAS (Reasonable Articulable Suspicion) to detain you for what was in the bag. After they VERIFIED that there was prescription medicine in the bag and that you were the proper person to which that medicine belonged, at that point any RAS that they had of a crime being committed was settled. Everything after that was a clear violation of your 4th amendment rights.

    You shouldn't be beating yourself up. You should be seeking action for a violation of your rights.

    Why did you tell them about your gun? Were you required to by law?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    ...Everything after that was a clear violation of your 4th amendment rights.

    You shouldn't be beating yourself up. You should be seeking action for a violation of your rights.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Agreed.
    Dang, that was quick G50AE! Are you "trolling"?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Dang, that was quick G50AE! Are you "trolling"?
    Well no, but according to kelcarry, I am "obviously hostile towards SC LEO's".

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    Sounds like the Troopers blew as my old Gunny used to say sunshine up your xxx.

    "It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it" - SGB

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    After spending a few years as a law enforcement officer, I was a little confused by the dog alerting on your bad and prescription medication. I have never known or heard of drug detection dogs being trained to alert on prescription drugs. The one possibility would be any opium derived pain killers could have alerted the dog.

    The definition of the term "narcotic" is any drug derived from opium. Codeine, hydrocodone, or any similar type could possibly alert the dog.

    Here is some good advice from an ex cop who strongly supports the 2nd amendment.

    If you are carrying, stay away from law enforcement if at all possible. Yes you may have the letter of the law on your side, but certainly not the enforcers of the law. Cops get real uptight about citizens carrying a firearm.

    Never walk up to the cops and just tell them you are carrying. If you are being detained for some reason then tell them. They almost always take a dim view of a non Leo carrying.

    I understand we have constitutional rights as well as CCW permits, but that still does not cause law enforcement to pat you on the back and welcome you. they are naturally suspicious and a bit jaded from all the negative encounters they deal with on a regular basis.

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