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    Interesting thread on another forum... your opinion?

    Someone on another gun forum posted a question on whether or not a LEO could ask you for your carry permit/license if he suspected you were carrying do to printing.

    I'm guessing yes because carrying a concealed firearm is a felony unless you have a permit. Maybe the answer if different by state?

    What is your opinion or fact?

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  3. If a Leo approaches you in Mn. You do have to inform.
    I see it as a small thing. Not something that will get me up in a roar.
    But, because of the laws, I think your location will play a part in the Leo's profile decison to ask.
    I also think concealed is concealed. So that would mean I didn't do my job.

  4. I'm going to answer your question with a question.
    Scenario: you live in a state that isn't to fond of firearms but allows citizens obtain concealed carry firearms permits and you are a police officer in a convenience store (7-11, wawa, etc) and you observe a customer in the store leaning over to get a package of candy on one of the lower shelves and from under the jacket you notice a barrel of a gun peeking underneath the jacket. You can't tell if it is in a holster or not. What do you do?
    A.) Let the guy go and he/she might possibly attempt to commit robbery in the store because try didn't notice you in the store.
    B.) Ask the individual to place his hands in a visible location and ask if they have a firearm on their person and if they are possessing it legally by means of a concealed carry permit. Have them draw and present the firearm to make sure it is the same firearm as indicated on the permit (if the state, city has that info on the permit) and then after 5 min return everything to the second amendment practicing-law-abiding citizen and send them on their way.

    LEOs have the ability to stop that individual because of probable cause that the barrel is from a firearm , real or fake. And is not sure of the intentions of that individual to use that firearm . If you were to get stopped in this scenario I would not be mad, agitated, annoyed, etc at the police officer but glad that they did their job and investigated a serious situation .
    As a LEO I would rather encounter the second scenario 1000 times then the first one once.
    You may go out of your way to obtain a permit but not everyone does it and that is what ruins it for everyone else.
    If encountered in this type of scenario please don't give the officer a hard time but rather give them thanks for doing it. Next time it might not be the same and the first scenario might pan out.
    And also make sure your CCW is actually concealed LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbaierl View Post
    If a Leo approaches you in Mn. You do have to inform.
    I see it as a small thing. Not something that will get me up in a roar.
    But, because of the laws, I think your location will play a part in the Leo's profile decison to ask.
    I also think concealed is concealed. So that would mean I didn't do my job.

    No...you don't. Not in MN. Only in AK, AR, LA, MI, NC, NE, OH, OK, SC, TX.

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    oregon permits

    In the state of Oregon your permit is linked to your drivers license, and your car registration. So if you get stopped the officer will some times ask if you have a firearm with you. I have four cars that are registered in my name and have been stopped in all of them but have only been asked once by an officer when I was driving( my wife was driving the other times). Someone had been giving him a bad time that day I could tell. I spoke calmly that i was not carrying that night (unusual) He ran my plates because I live in a high end neighborhood and was driving my beat up work truck.
    He let me go with a warning but tailed me the next night make sure I had repaired the burned out license plate light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JrFreak View Post
    Someone on another gun forum posted a question on whether or not a LEO could ask you for your carry permit/license if he suspected you were carrying do to printing.

    I'm guessing yes because carrying a concealed firearm is a felony unless you have a permit. Maybe the answer if different by state?

    What is your opinion or fact?
    First, the fact is that if the person is in lawful possession of the firearm and not committing any other crime with it, concealing the firearm is only a misdemeanor in Pennsylvania and not a felony:

    6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
    (a) Offense defined.--
    (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who
    carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a
    firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place
    of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and
    lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony
    of the third degree.
    (2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a
    valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any
    vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or
    about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place
    of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and
    has not committed any other criminal violation commits a
    misdemeanor of the first degree.
    In Pennsylvania, if the officer saw the gun briefly and then it became concealed, they would certainly have RAS to believe the crime of unlawfully concealing the firearm had been committed and could, lawfully, demand to see the permit and if the person refused to show the permit the officer would write the citation for the misdemeanor and let the court sort it out.

    However... an officer would have to actually see part of the firearm... they would have no legal reason to stop a person because they thought the outline showing through their shirt might or might not be a gun.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    No...you don't. Not in MN. Only in AK, AR, LA, MI, NC, NE, OH, OK, SC, TX.
    Also in MN it is a Permit to Carry. Open or concealed it is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    First, the fact is that if the person is in lawful possession of the firearm and not committing any other crime with it, concealing the firearm is only a misdemeanor in Pennsylvania and not a felony:



    In Pennsylvania, if the officer saw the gun briefly and then it became concealed, they would certainly have RAS to believe the crime of unlawfully concealing the firearm had been committed and could, lawfully, demand to see the permit and if the person refused to show the permit the officer would write the citation for the misdemeanor and let the court sort it out.

    However... an officer would have to actually see part of the firearm... they would have no legal reason to stop a person because they thought the outline showing through their shirt might or might not be a gun.

    I think this may be the first time I have to disagree with you....

    Presence of a gun is not automatically suspicion of a crime...asking for a LTCF while carrying is akin to asking for a drivers license just because you are seen operating a motor vehicle.

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    I am a supporter of LEO's, however in the past LEO's have delt drugs, committed criminal acts and they all carry exposed weapons and are not required to prove they are a police or sheriffs officer. Same line applies to citizens, suspicion should be innocent until proven guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    I think this may be the first time I have to disagree with you....

    Presence of a gun is not automatically suspicion of a crime...asking for a LTCF while carrying is akin to asking for a drivers license just because you are seen operating a motor vehicle.

    This is a hard one to nail down..... dont know which of you is correct in this case.... In an actual encounter in PA, btwn myself and an LEO, my complying with a request to see LTCF would probably hinge almost entirely on how I was asked.... and the attitude of the LEO.(I do have a PA non-res permit)

    Even here in OH where I have had a few run-ins with LEO WHO DID NOT HAVE A CLUE and came REAL close to having Federal charges brought against them..... if I am asked nicely in a future interaction, I may very well show them ID/Permit.... even if the law states/supports me not having to in that situation.... The attitude I am confronted with is almost always reflected back upon the one who gave it.......... If you act like an a$$hole, you will be treated as such.

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