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  1. #21
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    Couple things.
    1. Never leave your vehicle unless ordered too.
    2. Dont wave your license around... one must verbally notify in Ohio & produce a license upon request.
    3. Hands where they can be seen on the steering wheel.
    4. Speak loud, clear and notify, even if you have to interrupt the officer, finish your sentence. Do not tell stories or explain ... NOTIFY!
    5. Move slow and with clear intent. (One shouldnt need to move at all when verbally informing, but may need to move in order to obtain their DL and CHL)
    6. Do not touch your gun, unless ordered too.

    7. Carry a voice recorder.

    While we believe the Officer should be charged criminally we also think the driver could have done a much better job & shouldnt be charged. As far as the hooker & pimp ... we will never know will we? The officer let them go because they were minor crimes and thought he got him a felony (even though its a M1 or MM, depending).

    However this all could be easily solved by removing the Notification requirement.

    We also teach not to escalate a situation with verbal abuse or to be scared of a police officer if your not doing anything wrong. Dont be scared, be safe!
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    Unless something has changed here in Tennessee since I took the class and got my carry permit (here it is carry permit, not concelaed carry permit). In fact the fellow who did the video that we watched was Ellis Marshall. Ellis is a Tennessee Highway Patrolman and a lawyer. He was teaching at the Highway Patrol Academy at that time and he advised not to inform. He explained that even though we had a right to carry openly, it is better to carry concealed. When you notify someone you are carrying you have lost the edge that concealed carry gives you. Ellis is actually a friend and is of the opinion that legal carry by citizens is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    So, I got to ask here... what exactly would the officer have had to do to actually be criminal?!?
    Don't know about Ohio but in NY the comments about shooting him would substantiate Misdemeanor Harassment (2-3 counts). The comment about pulling him over every time he sees him would also qualify as Official Misconduct.

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    S 195.00 Official misconduct.
    A public servant is guilty of official misconduct when, with intent to obtain a benefit or deprive another person of a benefit:
    1. He commits an act relating to his office but constituting an unauthorized exercise of his official functions, knowing that such act is unauthorized; or
    2. He knowingly refrains from performing a duty which is imposed upon him by law or is clearly inherent in the nature of his office.
    Official misconduct is a class A misdemeanor.

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    S 240.25 Harassment in the first degree. A person is guilty of harassment in the first degree when he or she intentionally and repeatedly harasses another person by following such person in or about a public place or places or by engaging in a course of conduct or by repeatedly committing acts which places such person in reasonable fear of physical injury.
    Harassment in the first degree is a class B misdemeanor.

    S 240.26 Harassment in the second degree. A person is guilty of harassment in the second degre
    e when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:
    1. He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
    2. He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or
    3. He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.

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    The LEO did threaten to shoot him ten times and not lose any sleep over it. He did threaten to pull him over without cause everytime he sees him. That's enough to invoke fear and alarm in a guy who didn't do anything. It's over the line man. He should be ashamed.

    What would the other posters do if a certain LEO targeted you and pulled them over every time he saw them? Without cause? Constantly... just as he promised? Would that be tolerable?
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  5. and kiss his aXX and say please don't shoot me!
    What about a professional policeofficer walking up to the car with all the safety steps still in play and say sir I stopped you because you broke this law can I see your dL Oh you have ccw permitt Ok I will be right back. write the ticket run the dl and if you can find out if the ccw permitt is good then give the ticket tell the driver to be careful and let him go. or is your state cops so scared you have to yell and scream I GOT A PERMITT DON"T KILL ME!!!!! well you have been trained by a swat cop so they must be shooting us down like flys. I will scream from now out OH PLEASE KIND SIR DON"T KILL ME. you know I will add the ccw permitt stuff too. Will my wife or little girl have to scream too. or do something more so that your swat friends will not kill me? WOW I guess because it's the law and they don't have to care if someone is lawful doing something they can just shoot us or abuse us anyway they want. Cause if you don't stand up for your rights you don't have any.
    Quote Originally Posted by pathfyndr View Post
    I was trained by a SWAT team member...and one of the things he pointed out to us was that there are good cops and bad cops out there...and no matter WHAT...if you have to scream it out is that the first thing out of you mouth is I am a CCW permit holder with you hands stuck out the window. I do not condone the officers actions...but the permit holder should have made it clear up front with all his efforts that he was a CCP holder.. Little stupid on both parties, but 99% of CCW permit holders are not idiots, and understand the law and with all our efforts that will be the first thing we say to an officer.....with both my hands stuck out the window when stopped "Officer...I am a CCW permit holder and I have a handgun in the vehicle"...

  6. the cop is armed and he says I should shoot you ten times and my buddy would be a witness thats armed assault.
    thats more like a felony look it up in the state law not city ords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetiger:215558
    and kiss his aXX and say please don't shoot me!
    What about a professional policeofficer walking up to the car with all the safety steps still in play and say sir I stopped you because you broke this law can I see your dL Oh you have ccw permitt Ok I will be right back. write the ticket run the dl and if you can find out if the ccw permitt is good then give the ticket tell the driver to be careful and let him go. or is your state cops so scared you have to yell and scream I GOT A PERMITT DON"T KILL ME!!!!! well you have been trained by a swat cop so they must be shooting us down like flys. I will scream from now out OH PLEASE KIND SIR DON"T KILL ME. you know I will add the ccw permitt stuff too. Will my wife or little girl have to scream too. or do something more so that your swat friends will not kill me? WOW I guess because it's the law and they don't have to care if someone is lawful doing something they can just shoot us or abuse us anyway they want. Cause if you don't stand up for your rights you don't have any.
    Quote Originally Posted by pathfyndr View Post
    I was trained by a SWAT team member...and one of the things he pointed out to us was that there are good cops and bad cops out there...and no matter WHAT...if you have to scream it out is that the first thing out of you mouth is I am a CCW permit holder with you hands stuck out the window. I do not condone the officers actions...but the permit holder should have made it clear up front with all his efforts that he was a CCP holder.. Little stupid on both parties, but 99% of CCW permit holders are not idiots, and understand the law and with all our efforts that will be the first thing we say to an officer.....with both my hands stuck out the window when stopped "Officer...I am a CCW permit holder and I have a handgun in the vehicle"...
    Dude I got 1 word for you: DECAFF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horkos View Post
    Dude I got 1 word for you: DECAFF
    Too bad they discontinued Postum in 2007.

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    Maybe whitetiger can buy the formula from Kraft foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Too bad they discontinued Postum in 2007.

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    Maybe whitetiger can buy the formula from Kraft foods.
    While hes at it, send the recipe to the Canton cop.
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  10. LOL yea I get hot cause you don't. You let others stand up for peoples right. or are you a cop who thinks this conduct is ok? man! you ever walk a street on patrol I have I have been in fights with bad guys as a cop.
    I know about the code of being a cop. Just fed up with it. disordly conduct, and resisting arrest is how the police cover up the fact they got mad because someone back talked them or did not act meek and they push them and then beat them up. if you think thats not true. ask a judge, how many DC and resisting arrests in his court in a year, then look up the cops with the most DC N resisting arrests. WOW I bet you find a few cops with more than 10 DC n RA's in 1 year. then check how many complaints they have same names come up.
    drink your decaff read your paper what do you care untill your kid get beaten up and then you get all upset .
    Hey send your wife out to date real men cause you must be real exciting.
    not tonight dear I got a well you know.

  11. why is it you range safety officers never say anything bad about the police. Too scared! how many of you are policeofficers and ya know the code thing may stop you cause the other cops would think bad about you slamming other cops. So you never say the cop was wrong you got to blame the non cop guy for something. it's the ccw guy who was wrong he deserved being abused. So when a 17 year girl out past curfew and your policefriend stops her it's ok to treat her bad too, How far can he go in that abuse, what will she get. would you say something then. NO! still protecting your police friends or your JOB. would you get mad then.
    or would it have to be your little girl. forget it just read your paper and let others fight for what should be done, keep telling everyone don't get excited, no problem. a man alone is easy prey, band together and we are mighty. SO join us or get the hell out of the way

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