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    Keep in mind that if you were able to ID the man as LEO, it's highly likely that he was on duty. All of the LE Agencies that I'm aware of have requirements and specifications for equipment used on duty. With that said, it's highly likely that the holster did have a retention device that the OP missed or the LEO was one that was in violation of agency policy. If he was violating agency policy, I'm sure he won't be employed very long.

    Rest assured OP, I'm fairly confident that the LE had an adequate holster for his duty weapon and was properly trained in retention tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    Where in your first post did you bring any of your knowledge forward? You choose to criticize from a holier than you attitude instead of asking any questions that could have drawn the proper information from the OP. For all we know it was plain leather holster with no retention devices at all.

    So please enlighten us. I Think everyone here could use more food for thought when it comes to weapon retention.
    I asked the OP a valid question and then responded to your asinine post. And now I'm responding to your other asinine (and less than accurate) post. If you want lessons in weapons retention I suggest you spend a few bucks and take a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Lets not thread jack, stop with the credentials argument, focus on the OP. Right after his post, I posted some decent questions about the scenario. Lets let the OP give some more details so we can have a thoughtful discussion.
    (OPENS ENVELOPE)

    And the award for attempting to un-hijack this thread goes to Firefighterchen. Please come up on stage and give a brief acceptance speech and pick up your CCW Badge on the table next to the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE:239327
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Lets not thread jack, stop with the credentials argument, focus on the OP. Right after his post, I posted some decent questions about the scenario. Lets let the OP give some more details so we can have a thoughtful discussion.
    (OPENS ENVELOPE)

    And the award for attempting to un-hijack this thread goes to Firefighterchen. Please come up on stage and give a brief acceptance speech and pick up your CCW Badge on the table next to the podium.
    Thank you thank you. I would like to thank my...wait..wait...you just hijacked the thread again!!! Dang it...

    But in all seriousness...is the OP going to expand on this encounter? If he isn't then let the thread jacking commence.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by SGB View Post
    And your qualifications in weapons retention are?
    I completed POST (which covered Weapon Retension) and based on what the OP observed and reported, it is clearly poor retention. You always cover your firearm, never leave your back/strong side open and exposed ... step one; be aware of your surroundings.

  7. Without closer inspection of the holster, there is no way to tell if there is an actual additional retention device incorporated into the holster. For instance lots of leather holsters require you to twist, rock, or do a combination to the handgun in order to pull the handgun out.

    Without personally knowing it, there are firearms that have a magazine disconnect that are becoming popular with police departments due to the retention aspect. I do not like these for various reason I won't go into.

    I've also seen a holster, can't remember what brand (Galco, Bianchi or Safariland?), that has a thumb button on the inside holster - hard to explain unless you see it. There is no way to see this retention unless you are wearing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfetundra View Post
    I completed POST (which covered Weapon Retension) and based on what the OP observed and reported, it is clearly poor retention. You always cover your firearm, never leave your back/strong side open and exposed ... step one; be aware of your surroundings.
    Welcome aboard ............ WTF is Post? And please explain how it's "clearly" poor retention as some of us obviously don't see it being so "clear".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel:239690
    Without closer inspection of the holster, there is no way to tell if there is an actual additional retention device incorporated into the holster. For instance lots of leather holsters require you to twist, rock, or do a combination to the handgun in order to pull the handgun out.

    Without personally knowing it, there are firearms that have a magazine disconnect that are becoming popular with police departments due to the retention aspect. I do not like these for various reason I won't go into.

    I've also seen a holster, can't remember what brand (Galco, Bianchi or Safariland?), that has a thumb button on the inside holster - hard to explain unless you see it. There is no way to see this retention unless you are wearing it.
    Safariland als has a thumb button that releases a locking mechanism that latches into the ejection port. Won't be able to see it unless you are looking for it.

    Bladetech WRS has a spring loaded hood that is released by a thumb break. A lot more obvious.

    As far as magazine disconnect, how do you relate that to retention?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by SGB View Post
    Welcome aboard ............ WTF is Post? And please explain how it's "clearly" poor retention as some of us obviously don't see it being so "clear".
    POST is Peace Officer Standards and Training.
    The "Clear" aspect I'm referring to is the mentioned lack of any thumb break or any form of retention to prevent a straight draw of the firearm. As many have said, without the OP being more descriptive of the holster, we cannot assume he has anything more than what the OP said he had.

    In addition to that, the poor retention, as I already stated, is his (as described by the OP) lack of effort in "covering" his firearm and by placing his backside/strongside open to the public. He should cover his firearm, which will act as a deterrent, and keep his back against a wall to prevent would-be gun snatchers from coming up behind him.

    Number one step in weapon retention is being aware of your surroundings.

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