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    Worst LEO Weapon Retension practice I've ever seen

    At Starbucks in downtown Portland yesterday, I saw a plain clothes LEO there talking to a Multnomah Sheriff. He had what looked like a Glock 26 or 27 with +2 base plate in an OWB holster at 4-5 oclock with no retention device. His shirt was tucked in so the weapons was clearly visible, uncovered, and exposed (not even tucked close to the body). They were talking and he seemed oblivious to to who had potential access to his firearm. Waiting in line it was right in front of me. If I had been a BG and I had wanted to, all I had to do was extend my arm and his gun would be in my hand. I wouldn't have even needed to knock a covering arm out of the way. He was actually waiting for his drink next to the door talking to the Sheriff with his back to the door and anybody coming in could have grabbed it as well.

    Seemed like a pretty poor weapon retention practice to me. I hope he doesn't carry one in the chamber since that's the only thing that might save him if somebody did try to grab it (although a semi experienced BG would tap rack after grabbing the gun so that won't help in those situations). How often do people see LEOs practice poor weapon retention

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    And your qualifications in weapons retention are?

    "It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it" - SGB

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    What kind of holster was it? A lot of the newer kydex holsters have internal locks, and maybe you missed where the button was. Black hawks are pretty obvious with the trigger finger releaess while the safarilan als is a smaller thumb button behind the firearm Good thing you aren't a bad guy, you might of found a sharp piece of metal in your arm, chest, neck, or face if you were. Most LEO's carry a knife opposite a firearm for gun grab defense.

    Add: If he is an OC, there isn't really a point in having the gun hug your body, as it just slows down the draw, and keeping the firearm close to the body is more for concealment. My open carry holster keeps the grip quite a ways off my body compared to my concealment holster. I do not carry openly at 4-5 oclock though, because it also slows down my reaction time, and causes me to rotate my upperbody and lift my shoulder, which in a panic state, can cause accuracy issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGB View Post
    And your qualifications in weapons retention are?
    I doubt OP has ever tried to snag a pistol out of someone else's holster while they're wearing it. Here's a hint...it's not near as smooth or easy as it looked in that movie you were watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGB:239181
    And your qualifications in weapons retention are?
    His primary qualification is that he was there and actually saw what he posted.

    His post does bring out valid points regarding weapon retention. Unless of course you also were there and would like to enlighten us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    His primary qualification is that he was there and actually saw what he posted.

    His post does bring out valid points regarding weapon retention. Unless of course you also were there and would like to enlighten us.
    Well even if his points are valid, He lacked the details that have been asked about the holster. With that said I can not say one way or the other due to lack of information about the holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    His primary qualification is that he was there and actually saw what he posted.

    His post does bring out valid points regarding weapon retention. Unless of course you also were there and would like to enlighten us.
    Belonging to the small percentage of individuals here who actually teach weapons retention, having successfully defeated several gun grabs while in uniform and as holster maker I think I've got a good grasp of what constitutes adequate weapons retention. The OP has offered no baseline as to which we may judge the validity of his observation. His post is long on assumption and short on specifics.

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    If he doesn't use a retention holster(notice the correct spelling of retention), you can at least count on him being trained in retaining his gun in the case somebody tries to grab it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGB:239239
    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    His primary qualification is that he was there and actually saw what he posted.

    His post does bring out valid points regarding weapon retention. Unless of course you also were there and would like to enlighten us.
    Belonging to the small percentage of individuals here who actually teach weapons retention, having successfully defeated several gun grabs while in uniform and as holster maker I think I've got a good grasp of what constitutes adequate weapons retention. The OP has offered no baseline as to which we may judge the validity of his observation. His post is long on assumption and short on specifics.
    Where in your first post did you bring any of your knowledge forward? You choose to criticize from a holier than you attitude instead of asking any questions that could have drawn the proper information from the OP. For all we know it was plain leather holster with no retention devices at all.

    So please enlighten us. I Think everyone here could use more food for thought when it comes to weapon retention.

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    Lets not thread jack, stop with the credentials argument, focus on the OP. Right after his post, I posted some decent questions about the scenario. Lets let the OP give some more details so we can have a thoughtful discussion.

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