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    Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    Do I become shady when I put on a badge?
    No, you become dangerous. Whether that danger remains potential or is realized is TOTALLY at YOUR discretion. That's why I don't speak to the police without legal representation for any but the most trivial matters and would NEVER consent to a search under ANY circumstances.

    Shady? Are you wearing a Chicago, Philadelphia or New Orleans badge? If not, PROBABLY not...

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    Am I shady already? Do I become shady when I put on a badge?
    No, you do not become shady when you put on a badge, automatically. Detaining a person when you have no reasonable suspicion that they are committing a crime puts you in the shady category, to me. Simple "shady" or "not shady" test that can be administered in just a few seconds: "Officer, are you detaining me?" or "Officer, am I free to go?" Very simple yes/no test for shady character wearing a badge.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    LE0's are like the rest of society, most good, some bad and like you and I are trying to support themselves and their family. As far as individuals and their military service, if you served God bless you, if you did not no problem either, just don't claim you did. PS: have a dd-214 to prove I did, just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    LE0's are like the rest of society
    Not really true.
    • Police have MUCH more power than the average citizen.
    • Police have MUCH more power to do harm than the average citizen.
    • Police have MUCH more power to use to conceal harm they may do.


    In recent years, the Chicago Police Department has had a home invasion/burglary/kidnapping ring operating INSIDE of it.

    Five guys in hoodies, intent upon robbing you kick open your door carrying guns. You shoot them.

    Five guys with REAL badges with EXACTLY the same intent, kick open your door carrying guns. What do you do?

    I have NO legal duty to let somebody commit a violent crime against me... unless he's a cop.

    The home invaders in hoodies don't have the presumption of truth or the ability to falsify official documents. The home invaders with badges do. You could ask Katherine Johnston about that... if she was still alive.

    Those are BIG differences.

    Those are enough reasons to use whatever meager tools you have to protect yourself from the police.

    Given the ability of the police to both do harm and to conceal evidence of that harm, "Am I free to leave, Officer?" and "I do not consent to a search." seem exceptionally mild countermeasures.

  6. Skipped your meds this morning, deanimator? :-)

    I just thought I would put that in there before GOV(government)5 did.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Skipped your meds this morning, deanimator? :-)

    I just thought I would put that in there before GOV(government)5 did.
    Actually waiting to hear if the Harless disciplinary hearing in Canton has been postponed again... or whether they've given him some sort of medal (deservedly, the anti-partisan badge).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Gain:243976
    A word of advice. Never take legal advice from an LEO. He may be your buddy...but if he advised you wrong, and it goes to court, you can bet that conversation will be one that he "can't recall."
    I think they call that "Selective Amnesia "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    No, you become dangerous. Whether that danger remains potential or is realized is TOTALLY at YOUR discretion. That's why I don't speak to the police without legal representation for any but the most trivial matters and would NEVER consent to a search under ANY circumstances.

    Shady? Are you wearing a Chicago, Philadelphia or New Orleans badge? If not, PROBABLY not...
    No I am not working in those crap cities. And I would appreciate you not judging me before you have even met me, and long before I have even got a badge. And by the way, everyone is dangerous or has the potential to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    No, you do not become shady when you put on a badge, automatically.
    Thanks for not judging me as much as Deanimator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPack View Post
    Police officers become "shady" the minute they step foot in a police academy setting. Why? Because the academy turns an ordinary citizen into an officer of the law. You are trained to recognize every citizen as a criminal and stereotype to create probable cause. Having gone on several patrol ridealongs, I've witnessed the lazy, unethical persona's these officers possess on a daily basis. Officers should "enforce" the laws in which all citizens shall abide by. Not create new one's and intimidate the vulnerable public.


    Haha. He said "stereotype"....
    Im guessing you have gone to police academy and not merely speculating based on your biases and opinions? Because that would have no basis. I have gone on many ride alongs and witnessed honest, hard working people responding to non-stop calls for help or support.

    Firefighters go to fire academy. Does that change who they are and make them think of every situation as a fire or fire waiting to happen? Do they refuse to have camp fires, grills, cigarettes, candles? No. They simply put on a uniform and do a job, go home, take off the uniform, and take care of their families.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    Thanks for not judging me as much as Deanimator.
    I offered to give him some of my medication. :-)
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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