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    "Martial Law" Declared in Arkansas Town

    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    And so it begins!

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    That Mayor is an idiot. If they want to stop all the drug dealers and hustlers in the neighborhood, arm their citizens and declare open season on all the scum. Let the Citizens pop them in the head!
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    It's not often that I agree with the ACLU, but I do this time. I hope this curfew gets challenged in court. It's bad enough that gun control punishes law abiding citizens for the actions of criminals, but curfews too? What's next? Furthermore, what happens to anyone who violates the curfew? Do they go to jail? This is an outrage.

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    ... what happens to anyone who violates the curfew? Do they go to jail? .
    1 Innocents go to jail
    2 Innocents now has a convict record
    3 Innocents is now disqualified to have weapons or license because of record
    Conclusion: The antis plan working as they planned

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingMass View Post
    1 Innocents go to jail
    2 Innocents now has a convict record
    3 Innocents is now disqualified to have weapons or license because of record
    Conclusion: The antis plan working as they planned
    Well, let's hope that anyone who gets caught up in this ridiculous net that has been set up is able to get their "convictions" (convictions for what, I have no idea) set aside and sues the pants off the town government.

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    Here is a Update on this matter.

    HELENA-WEST HELENA, Ark. - Officers armed with military rifles have been stopping and questioning passers-by in a neighborhood plagued by violence that's been under a 24-hour curfew for a week.
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    On Tuesday, the Helena-West Helena City Council voted 9-0 to allow police to expand that program into any area of the city, despite a warning from a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas that the police stops were unconstitutional.

    Police Chief Fred Fielder said the patrols have netted 32 arrests since they began last week in a 10-block neighborhood in this small town on the banks of the Mississippi River long troubled by poverty. The council said those living in the city want the random shootings and drug-fueled violence to stop, no matter what the cost.

    "Now if somebody wants to sue us, they have an option to sue, but I'm fairly certain that a judge will see it the way the way the citizens see it here," Mayor James Valley said. "The citizens deserve peace, that some infringement on constitutional rights is OK and we have not violated anything as far as the Constitution."

    The area under curfew, in what used to be a West Helena neighborhood, sits among abandoned homes and occupied residences in disrepair.

    White signs on large blue barrels warn those passing by that the area remains under curfew by order of Mayor James Valley. The order was scheduled to end at 3 p.m. Tuesday, but Valley said the city council's vote would allow police to have the same powers across Helena-West Helena.

    Among the curfew operation's arrests, 10 came from felony charges, including the arrest of two people carrying both drugs and weapons, Fielder said. The police chief said the officers in the field carry military-style M-16 or M-4 rifles, some equipped with laser sights. Other officers carry short-barrel shotguns. Many dealing crack cocaine and marijuana in the city carry pistols and AK-47 assault rifles, he said.

    "We've had people call us, expressing concern for their children," Fielder said. "They had to sleep on the floor, because of stray bullets."

    Fielder said officers had not arrested anyone for violating the curfew, only questioned people about why they were outside. Those without good answers or acting nervously get additional attention, Fielder said.

    However, such stops likely violate residents' constitutional rights to freely assemble and protections against unreasonable police searches, said Holly Dickson, a lawyer for the ACLU of Arkansas who addressed the council at its packed Tuesday meeting. Because of that, Dickson said any convictions coming from the arrests likely would be overturned.

    "The residents of these high-crime areas are already victims," she said. "They're victims of what are happening in the neighborhoods, they're victims of fear. But for them to be subject to unlawful stops and questioning ... that is not going to ultimately going to help this situation."

    The council rejected Dickson's claims, at one point questioning the Little Rock-based attorney if she'd live in a neighborhood they described as under siege by wild gunfire and gangs.

    "As far as I'm concerned, at 3 o'clock in the morning, nobody has any business being on the street, except the law," Councilman Eugene "Red" Johnson said. "Anyone out at 3 o'clock shouldn't be out on the street, unless you're going to the hospital."

    The curfew is the second under the mayor's watch since the rival cities of Helena and West Helena merged in 2006. That year, Valley set a nightly citywide curfew after a rash of burglaries and other thefts.

    Police in Hartford, Conn., began enforcing a nightly curfew for youths after recent violence, including a weekend shooting that killed a man and wounded six young people.

    Helena-West Helena, with 15,000 residents at the edge of Arkansas' eastern rice fields and farmland, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living.

    In the curfew area, those inside the homes in the watch area peered out of door cracks Tuesday as police cruisers passed. They closed the doors afterward.


    Is this the USA we are talking about or a 3rd world country? Giving the police to much power is not a good idea at all. because with some officers the power trip goes to the head and they start to think they are above the law them selfs. IDK about you but some times i cant sleep and get in the car and drive to the store for a soda or ice cream at night. Is that not my right as a tax payer???
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    Look where the town is. It's by Memphis TN which is one of the most violent cities in the US. Las Vegas NV inherits similiar problems from southern CA. The Mayor and City Council need to address the issue with Memphis PD. You deal with the rabid animals and pests where they breed and nest, not where you find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    Look where the town is. It's by Memphis TN which is one of the most violent cities in the US. Las Vegas NV inherits similiar problems from southern CA. The Mayor and City Council need to address the issue with Memphis PD. You deal with the rabid animals and pests where they breed and nest, not where you find them.

    Yes we all need a good citizen mayor like this. And a hole in our head too. Below is a quote by the mayor and thie site it is from.

    Mayor James Valley said "citizens deserve peace" and "some infringement on constitutional rights is OK."

    Crime-Ridden Town Expands 24-Hour Curfew - News Story - KXAS | Dallas

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin,= patriot

    Mayor James Valley= traitor, _
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    Yes we all need a good citizen mayor like this. And a hole in our head too. Below is a quote by the mayor and thie site it is from.
    I'm perfectly happy with our Mayor who is rather fond of gin and marketing Las Vegas. I did not nor will I ever condone Mayor Valley's actions. What should be going on is their PD working with Memphis PD to eliminate the problem from coming into his town. That is what I am advocating.

    We had a problem in one of the most dangerous areas of Northtown (the Las Vegas equivalent of Watts) with a low income housing area known as Gerson Park. The area was bulldozed down and replaced with senior apartments and condos. LVMPD put a substation nearby as well. No more pests or rabid animals because their breeding ground is gone and the exterminator put a branch office by the infestation. It was done without martial law, created jobs in construction for the duration of the project and made the neighborhood better.

    Get rid of the condemned buildings. Pass city codes requiring the owners to do something about them or they get turned over to the city. Have the city attorney win nuisance judgments against the owners of the condemned property. That is how you deal with the problem. You don't do it by declaring martial law. You do it by leveraging eminent domain.

    Put a police line around the trouble area. Condemn that zone. Get AR State Police involved and the County Sheriff to assist with the specific problem.

    If we had such a mayor in office in Nevada, they would be commiting a felony under NRS 197.200 if force was used, gross misdemeanor otherwise. The mayor, sheriff and chief of police are all parts of the executive branch of government. Does AR have a similiar statute? This doesn't include whatever federal crimes and civil rights violations have been made. I do know that we have a statute against it.
    Mayor James Valley said "citizens deserve peace" and "some infringement on constitutional rights is OK."

    Crime-Ridden Town Expands 24-Hour Curfew - News Story - KXAS | Dallas

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin,= patriot

    Mayor James Valley= traitor, _
    Know the law; don't ask, don't tell.
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    Happy new 1984; 25 years behind schedule. Send lawyers, guns and money...the SHTF...

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