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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    This is one of those topics thatís (IMO) very hard to get right.

    Regardless of our reasoning, ultimately it is up to each of us to decide which laws we will follow and which we wonít. When we make that decision we have to take the consequences into account and no matter how unconstitutional you may think a law is you arenít going to stop the police from arresting you and putting you through the system (and maybe sending you to prison) when you are caught violating it. Speak for yourself.. Do NOT project your unwillingness to defend yourself or your rights onto me or anyone else...

    You can say what you want about the rightness or wrongness of the law or get on your soapbox about our founding principles (which are great in principle) but you arenít going to win the pissing contest on the side of the road. Actually I HAVE WON what you call a pissing match on the side of the road against 2 cops... and another one in a parking lot when it was one on one...........

    To reduce it to the simplest terms, I donít really care what you say on the internet if you take on the system by your self youíre going to get squashed like a bug.
    Uhmmmm... I wasnt squashed.... Maybe you should try to stand up for yourself instead of telling us not to........

    BTW Treo, I almost always agree with you 100% but this time you are wrong, very wrong...

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    That is a exactly what "they" (progressive liberal democrats) are looking to do.. Make legal gun owning citizens of the USA into felons.. Strip them of their rights and confiscate their arms.. All part of the plan. Anyone who believes the contrary is obtuse, blind, and accepting of the agenda..
    You can give peace a chance alright..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Uhmmmm... I wasnt squashed.... Maybe you should try to stand up for yourself instead of telling us not to........

    BTW Treo, I almost always agree with you 100% but this time you are wrong, very wrong...
    No, Iím actually not wrong youíve just missed my point(s).

    First point, we are a Nation of laws, there either has to be one law for everyone or no law at all. We canít have a bunch of wanna be roadside lawyers running around deciding which laws theyíre going to follow and which ones they arenít base on their degree from the usacarry.com school of internet law, thatís what criminals do; or if they do choose to decide then theyíd better be ready to accept the consequences of their actions.

    If we disagree with a law then the proper way to address that is through the legal system or the political process. We either vote for representatives who share our values or we engage in civil disobedience and we hash it out in court. If every one just decides what laws to obey and what laws not to obey we have anarchy.

    Second point, you can say whatever you want on the internet but the fact is that as individuals we do not have the power to stop society from imposing itís will on us.

    Remember ďAccidentalĒ Felon? He decided that Chicagoís gun laws were unconstitutional and therefore did not apply to him. The city of Chicago saw it differently and they did detain him, they did take him into custody, they did try him and they did convict him and he is (if we believe his story) now really a convicted felon with no legal right to bear arms.

    Same with this guy, say what you will but unless this guy is willing to get into a gunfight on the side of the road (which he would have lost sooner or later) over two rounds in a magazine he had no choice but to submit to the will of the state and fight it out in court.

    If you truly believe this law is unconstitutional and you truly believe in your cause then you need to take an 11 (one more than their previous standard so thereís no question that you are in violation) to New York, walk into the first Police Station you see, put the magazine on the desk and demand that they arrest you so you have legal standing to sue. Then we let a judge decide if the law is Constitutional because that's how we set the system up

    Let us know how that works out for you
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    Treo, Thank you for your response, I now understand better what you were saying...
    BUT....

    I dont go flaunting "unlawfulness" (a very loose term, especially when shall not be infringed has been ignored for so long we get laughed at for bringing it up) and baiting anyone for any reason... not my style. It would also only prove that the person doing it is an idiot... So, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not going to New York, too many liberals there for me.... If "laws" were passed where I live that were anything like the ones they passed there, I would ignore them, just like I ignore most of them now.

    I DO, HOWEVER, stand up for myself and absolutely refuse to have my rights trampled on by anyone, anywhere... ESPECIALLY if they have some kind of uniform or badge, as they are being paid to defend my rights (by their oath) with my money.... If that results in me having to defend myself (my rights) so be it... I didnt start it, and yes... "they" will probably end it much sooner than I would want, in a way that ends badly for all involved. But guess what? I would rather die a free man.

    UNTIL the idiots in charge figure out that infringing on rights has consequences they dont like, they will continue acting the way they always have... Electing people who say they will fix things has NOT SOLVED A SOLITARY THING!!! Why do people keep insisting that it will work THIS TIME??? It is past time people get a backbone and STOP BACKING DOWN WHEN CONFRONTED BY THUGS!!!!

    My sig line is what I live by.... leave me alone or suffer the outcome of YOUR actions against me..... I leave others alone UNLESS they refuse to leave me alone.... Bullies back down when they find out their chosen prey arent afraid of them and are willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make them stop...

    My hope is to live a very long and peaceful life where no-one (myself included) EVER gets injured or even insulted when I am around them.
    I do NOT go out seeking anything but a peaceful co-existence with everyone I come into contact with....

    If the police have an actual truly "lawful" (read actually constitutional ) reason to interact with me they have zero probability of me doing anything they wouldnt like to happen as long as they behave themselves and dont attempt to infringe on any of my rights.. I dont know any plainer way to say it politely...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Treo, Thank you for your response, I now understand better what you were saying...
    BUT....
    I dont go flaunting "unlawfulness" (a very loose term, especially when shall not be infringed has been ignored for so long we get laughed at for bringing it up) and baiting anyone for any reason... not my style. It would also only prove that the person doing it is an idiot... So, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not going to New York, too many liberals there for me....
    I never meant to imply that you did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    If "laws" were passed where I live that were anything like the ones they passed there, I would ignore them, just like I ignore most of them now.
    That's your option as long as you are willing to accept the consequences when the cop don't ignore the law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Treo, Thank you for your response, I now understand better what you were saying...
    BUT....

    I dont go flaunting "unlawfulness" (a very loose term, especially when shall not be infringed has been ignored for so long we get laughed at for bringing it up) and baiting anyone for any reason... not my style. It would also only prove that the person doing it is an idiot... So, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not going to New York, too many liberals there for me.... If "laws" were passed where I live that were anything like the ones they passed there, I would ignore them, just like I ignore most of them now.

    I DO, HOWEVER, stand up for myself and absolutely refuse to have my rights trampled on by anyone, anywhere... ESPECIALLY if they have some kind of uniform or badge, as they are being paid to defend my rights (by their oath) with my money.... If that results in me having to defend myself (my rights) so be it... I didnt start it, and yes... "they" will probably end it much sooner than I would want, in a way that ends badly for all involved. But guess what? I would rather die a free man.

    UNTIL the idiots in charge figure out that infringing on rights has consequences they dont like, they will continue acting the way they always have... Electing people who say they will fix things has NOT SOLVED A SOLITARY THING!!! Why do people keep insisting that it will work THIS TIME??? It is past time people get a backbone and STOP BACKING DOWN WHEN CONFRONTED BY THUGS!!!!

    My sig line is what I live by.... leave me alone or suffer the outcome of YOUR actions against me..... I leave others alone UNLESS they refuse to leave me alone.... Bullies back down when they find out their chosen prey arent afraid of them and are willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make them stop...

    My hope is to live a very long and peaceful life where no-one (myself included) EVER gets injured or even insulted when I am around them.
    I do NOT go out seeking anything but a peaceful co-existence with everyone I come into contact with....

    If the police have an actual truly "lawful" (read actually constitutional ) reason to interact with me they have zero probability of me doing anything they wouldnt like to happen as long as they behave themselves and dont attempt to infringe on any of my rights.. I dont know any plainer way to say it politely...
    “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.”
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    This is the best quote that I live by when it comes to self defense. imho
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    Quote Originally Posted by gejoslin View Post
    “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.”
    John Wayne

    This is the best quote that I live by when it comes to self defense. imho
    Well.... now I do know a better way to say it, ty

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    When they "Nudge. Shove. Shoot.",
    Don't retreat. Just reload.

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    I agree that the 7 limit is stupid. But it is the law. I've heard lots of blowhards claim how they will not follow the law. If you won't follow the law, then you are a criminal who shouldn't own a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    I agree that the 7 limit is stupid. But it is the law. I've heard lots of blowhards claim how they will not follow the law. If you won't follow the law, then you are a criminal who shouldn't own a firearm.
    Bad (stupid) laws are not overturned by sheep complying, they are overturned by citizens rebuking the law.

    In this case the prosecutor has stated he is not going to prosecute, the process to overturn it has started, by someone that choose to be a sheepdog instead of a sheep.

    I haven't found the actual text of the law, but based on the stupidity of this law, I suspect that even in the less secure privacy of your own home 8 rounds in the mag is a crime.
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    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.Ē ― Steven Weinberg

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