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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    The ENTIRE story of the NOPD was that the Danziger Bridge murders were a "hoax" as in totally justified. The mainstream media ran with that.

    It was ONLY on NPR that I first heard a narrative which differed from that. Even AFTER the NPR (and others on a few other leftish outlets) story ran, the NOPD stuck to the "hoax" story. And the mainstream media stuck with that.

    It was ONLY when the FBI investigation broke that the tissue of lies started blowing away.
    I know the NO Police denied the allegations but I never heard the media call it a hoax. Like I said, if you have links showing that, please post them. And "other leftish outlets" could include well over 95% of the media in the US.

    From the Chicago PD organized torture operation to the Danziger Bridge these things INVARIABLY involve organized coverups.
    I consider coverups to be a standard mode of operation for Chicago PD. That whole city is corrupt to the core as far as I'm concerned. But I don't consider them in any way indicative of police nationwide.

    At what point does it STOP being "a few bad apples"?
    I haven't set a number threshold, but the eight officers involved in the incidents you mentioned constitute less than one thousandth of one percent of the total number of cops in the US. That qualifies as pretty darn minute in my book. But I don't think it would come as some great revelation that whatever threshold I might be likely to ever set, it would be quite different from yours since you hate cops and I don't. The only real difficulty here is that you seem to have major difficulty in understanding that the overwhelming majority of people just don't hate cops like you do. Nobody here disputes that bad cops exist, and nobody here is opposed to severe punishment when cops do something wrong. We just don't believe as you do that cops are inherently bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I know the NO Police denied the allegations but I never heard the media call it a hoax. Like I said, if you have links showing that, please post them. And "other leftish outlets" could include well over 95% of the media in the US.
    The mainstream media simply REPEATED the claims to the NOPD without contradiction. It was only NPR (and probably Pacifica, and other leftwing media) who questioned the NOPD's story.

    You can Google media stories from the time, although at this date, you'll probably have to pay for the information.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I consider coverups to be a standard mode of operation for Chicago PD. That whole city is corrupt to the core as far as I'm concerned. But I don't consider them in any way indicative of police nationwide.
    How about the NOPD? Don't they count?

    And how about the Philly PD and their robbery ring?

    And the Atlanta PD and their pattern and practice of lying in warrant affidavits, which culminated in the murder of Kathryn Johnston? Remember, to the defenders of the Atlanta PD, she's STILL a "dope dealer" and a wouldbe "cop killer". I've NEVER heard any of their defenders retract their attacks on a MURDER VICTIM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    The mainstream media simply REPEATED the claims to the NOPD without contradiction. It was only NPR (and probably Pacifica, and other leftwing media) who questioned the NOPD's story.
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    You can Google media stories from the time, although at this date, you'll probably have to pay for the information.
    So they didn't actually say it was a hoax. Okay. That's the part that confused me.
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    How about the NOPD? Don't they count?

    And how about the Philly PD and their robbery ring?

    And the Atlanta PD and their pattern and practice of lying in warrant affidavits, which culminated in the murder of Kathryn Johnston? Remember, to the defenders of the Atlanta PD, she's STILL a "dope dealer" and a wouldbe "cop killer". I've NEVER heard any of their defenders retract their attacks on a MURDER VICTIM.
    Well, those folks aren't on my Christmas list, that's for sure. But I don't accuse every cop in those cities for the actions of a few, nor do I condemn all cops in the US in a similar manner. I know you have an axe to grind as far as cops go, but most of us just don't have the pessimistic view towards them that you do. You view the bad incidents as the 'norm' for cops. We don't. As much as you may be convinced of that view, and as hard as you may try to sway us to your viewpoint, things really aren't going to change. Sorry. As has always been the case on this topic, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    But I don't accuse every cop in those cities for the actions of a few, nor do I condemn all cops in the US in a similar manner.
    How many cops KNEW ABOUT:
    1. The S.O.S. home invasion ring?
    2. The Jon Burge torture ring?
    3. The Philly convenience store robbery ring?
    4. The Danziger bridge murders?
    5. The PATTERN AND PRACTICE of perjured warrants in the Atlanta PD?

    I find NOTHING more sickly amusing than cops (I even saw it this morning on another site) complaining about the "stop snitching" culture. Ironic given that THEY are the country's foremost proponents of that culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    How many cops KNEW ABOUT.......
    An extremely small percentage of the overall total. And that won't change no matter how many cases of corruption or abuse you cite. As I said, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Unless of course such instances of of corruption or abuse become more widespread. But in the days of cell phone cameras and other small sized recording devices, that isn't likely. Reporting of those instances has increased as a result of those devices and that's increased the chances of being caught. Potential abusers are aware of that, so that's a disincentive for them. In any case, I know your side of the argument. I just find no logic in condemning all cops based on the actions of a few. That isn't going to change no matter how many past cases you decide to dig up and reference. That's not to say there isn't a systemic culture issue with a lot of cops. While it isn't a corruption or abuse issue, there is often an attitude problem. I talked about that in another thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    An extremely small percentage of the overall total.
    What is your FACTUAL basis for that assertion?

    That is simply something you CANNOT know.

    On the contrary, the Chicago Police Department has been determined in a legal proceeding to maintain a "culture of silence". The "blue wall of silence" has been proven by a preponderance of the evidence. Anybody who thinks that's UNIQUE to the Chicago PD is dangerously naive.

    If I have to choose between quasi-religious faith in the police and a court of law, I'm going with the court of law every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    What is your FACTUAL basis for that assertion?
    The same as yours, none. Well, other than the fact that all those you cited would still only constitute extremely small percentage of the overall total of cops in the US. Other than that, it's my opinion. And as I said before, we disagree. But apparently you're so fixated on this that you're unable to live with that and simply agree to disagree. I can't help you there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    The same as yours, none.
    My opinions are based on documented occurrences.

    Yours are based on... apparently nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frijoli View Post
    My point was they cannot TAKE anyone anywhere without proper paperwork. If you are removed from the area you are in, then you are in custody. I apologize if I didn't say that properly the first time. Either way you don't have to say anything, and you absolutely shouldn't.
    Actually, police are empowered to make warrantless arrests. They don't need a warrant. Try this scenario: My son breaks a window of another house, the police respond, gather sufficient evidence to make an arrest and have a reasonable suspicion that he is in my home.

    Do they need a warrant to enter my home to effect his arrest? No.

    Am I subject to arrest for attempting to hinder them? Yes.

    Of course the operative phrases are sufficient evidence and reasonable suspicion.

    If the police had these in this case not only will she get no money but the charges against her will stick. It is irrelevant that the complaint is bogus in her eyes. That is what court is for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    My opinions are based on documented occurrences.

    Yours are based on... apparently nothing.
    Our opinions are based on the same occurrences. You just think they apply to all cops and I don't, and you refuse to accept that fact because you view your opinion as being axiomatic. I'm not going to go around in circles with you on this forever. It's a simple matter of a difference of opinion. I'm not going to endlessly post back and forth just because you refuse to accept that.
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