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    The owner is probably lucky he wasn't shot. SoCal is a war zone. Just a few weeks ago Detectives ambushed near the Venice Div. The LEO in various small cities edgy. Many don't live in community they patrol. LEO live in concave, walled developments in a police culture. Many Police Chiefs are political appointments by major or city councils. Patrol officers fearful of being thrown under the bus by politicians. Many citizens feel trapped in a police state. Minorities feel unprotected and persecuted, being on their own in a dangerous environment. I moved out of LA County four years ago even though I am native, had enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    If they werenít justified in detaining him them their shooting of the dog arose from circumstances they themselves wrongfully created. That would be like a cop entering my fenced in back yard without my permission and then shooting my dog just because it was in the yard and defended its territory.
    It's not like cops haven't done that... repeatedly.

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    Right or wrong no one not even cops want a mad Rottweiler coming at them. You could say the dog was not being that vicious but had they tried to ignore the dog he may well have ended up biting a cop. Sure they could have used mace or whatever they have, but cops get mad when being attacked and since it was a dog not a human they had some target practice. Not a really nice scene, but hey, a lot worse things happen out on the street.


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    Yet another consequence of the militarization of the police. When my dad was a cop in Philadelphia, he started by walking the neighborhoods he patrolled, and he knew every one in his patrol area.Seemed like a much better way than policing today, Where the cops have a very strong "us vs. them" mentality
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    After getting some background information my opinion still hasnít changed.

    It comes down to whether or not the police were justified in detaining him. If they were then the dogís death is ultimately the result of whatever action he took that justified his detainment.

    If they werenít justified in detaining him them their shooting of the dog arose from circumstances they themselves wrongfully created. That would be like a cop entering my fenced in back yard without my permission and then shooting my dog just because it was in the yard and defended its territory.

    Regardless of who is at fault I donít believe the guy deliberately set out to get his dog killed and I also think he could have done more to restrain the dog.
    You are linking the "fruit of the poison tree" search and seizure theory to this and it doesn't hold. The dog "attack" is a separate incident regardless of what brought it about.

    As for entering your backyard illegally, there is a duty of care that must be exercised to all who enter your premesis legally or illegally.

    Think about the case in Florida where a shop owner was repeatedly burglarized throiug a hole in his roof. He put an electrified grate under the hole and found a dead burglar there one morning. He was charged, and found guilty of, involuntary manslaughter among other things.

    I'm not saying what happened is right or wrong, just to be careful attributing evidence admissibility rules to other legal issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJOHN621 View Post
    You are linking the "fruit of the poison tree" search and seizure theory to this and it doesn't hold. The dog "attack" is a separate incident regardless of what brought it about.

    As for entering your backyard illegally, there is a duty of care that must be exercised to all who enter your premesis legally or illegally.

    Think about the case in Florida where a shop owner was repeatedly burglarized throiug a hole in his roof. He put an electrified grate under the hole and found a dead burglar there one morning. He was charged, and found guilty of, involuntary manslaughter among other things.

    I'm not saying what happened is right or wrong, just to be careful attributing evidence admissibility rules to other legal issues.
    The point I’m trying to make here is that if the police weren’t justified in detaining this guy then they caused the events that lead up to shooting the dog and, assuming that’s true, they should be held accountable for it.
    I was never trying to imply that shooting the dog wasn’t a tactical necessity
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    Quote Originally Posted by muccione View Post
    First I like dogs, I have owned several Rotties, The detainment might be illegal. The cop had every legal right to shoot the dog. If I was him I also would have shot him, No way am I going to get bit. The owner should have secured the dog better. BTW... I also hate cops... I agree that Cops are becoming the criminals these days. but personal protection is just that, from ANY type of harm, person or animal, The dog was jumping and biting at him.
    Consider this...at the point they took Mr. Rosby to the curb, the officer in the rear had his MP5 pointed at Mr. Rosby's legs. A dog, especially a male dog, sees his only duty as being to protect and serve his master. When the officer arrested Mr. Rosby for lawful activity, the dog was already on edge because somebody was binding his master. When the officer pulled a submachine gun and pointed it towards Mr. Rosby's legs, unless the rifle was put away, the attack was going to happen. Then the two officers started tugging on Mr. Rosby and the dog saw no choice but to defend his master who was being roughed up by these officers.

    No crime was committed, clearly, when the two officers looked several times at the man filming with the camcorder, but arrested Mr. Rosby for filming them with a low quality flip phone. Were this in my town, the officers would be fired and run out of town, at the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Consider this...at the point they took Mr. Rosby to the curb, the officer in the rear had his MP5 pointed at Mr. Rosby's legs. A dog, especially a male dog, sees his only duty as being to protect and serve his master. When the officer arrested Mr. Rosby for lawful activity, the dog was already on edge because somebody was binding his master. When the officer pulled a submachine gun and pointed it towards Mr. Rosby's legs, unless the rifle was put away, the attack was going to happen. Then the two officers started tugging on Mr. Rosby and the dog saw no choice but to defend his master who was being roughed up by these officers.
    The only problem I have with the bolded part of the quote is that dogs don't have the cognitive function to understand "My Master is being bound" or someone is pointing a gun at my master. the dog wouldn't know any difference if I pointed a stick at his master
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    The only problem I have with the bolded part of the quote is that dogs don't have the cognitive function to understand "My Master is being bound" or someone is pointing a gun at my master. the dog wouldn't know any difference if I pointed a stick at his master
    Bull. My dog is harmless until you wave one of those extendable plastic lightsabers around and then he takes it from you when, and only when, he kids are around. When my kids play with plastic handcuffs, the dog will go crazy and run around barking at the handcuffs until I take them away. And he's a complete retard. I've been faking throwing a ball and jingling keys just above the surface of a glass table and he takes the bait every time for every day of his 2 years. But this dog knows that being bound is harmful and he damn sure knows what a gun is for. Mr. Rosbys dog was of a much smarter breed than black lab, so I am confident that he KNEW what was going on. If your dog doesn't know that being bound is dangerous or that a stick can hurt you, find a new one. If he doesn't charge a man pointing a gun at you, you've failed to train him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    The point I’m trying to make here is that if the police weren’t justified in detaining this guy then they caused the events that lead up to shooting the dog and, assuming that’s true, they should be held accountable for it.
    I was never trying to imply that shooting the dog wasn’t a tactical necessity
    Like BIGJOHN said, two separate events. The dog can't differentiate between a legal and illegal arrest. It would have attacked the same way had they been arresting him on a felony warrant. The owner did not properly train the dog. If your going to use an animal as a defensive weapon it needs to be trained to know when you're in physical distress. This guy was not in any immediate physical danger.

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