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    Question 2 CCW's

    Hi All!

    I know that show permit/not show permit is a topic in and of itself, but if you are in a state where you do need to show your permit and you have two (one for your state and one for another), should you give over both permits in an LEO encounter?

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    Give him the one that is valid for the state you are in. If it is the non-res one, the LEO will ask for the res one, if needed, but its not likely unless its one of the socialist states. Giving the LEO your CCW permit is to let him know you are carrying legally, so once you let him know, they are usually pretty good, unless you got pulled over for something big. Then all bets are off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karenstaz View Post
    Hi All!

    I know that show permit/not show permit is a topic in and of itself, but if you are in a state where you do need to show your permit and you have two (one for your state and one for another), should you give over both permits in an LEO encounter?
    If you are driving vehicle A and get pulled over for speeding, do you also tell the officer about vehicle B that you also own that is home and in the driveway and show them the registration and insurance for it?

    My personal opinion... if you are going to show any permit at all, show the permit that would be most commonly accepted, and just leave the other one alone. If you are in your home state, show your home state permit only. If you are in a state that recognizes your home state's permit, than show your home state's permit. If you are in a state that only recognizes your second non-resident than show that one only. It will just be less confusing to the officer if you show a permit from the same state as your ID/Driver's License, if it is accepted.

    I prefer to avoid any and all confusion altogether and just not mention the gun or permit if I am not required by law to do so.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Thank you both for your responses! I very much appreciate your input.

  6. Most of our LEOs are honest people trying to do a job the best they can, cooperate and life should be OK. Its the problem children....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp View Post
    Most of our LEOs are honest people trying to do a job the best they can, cooperate and life should be OK. Its the problem children....
    So are you saying that if the officer would "just like to look around, you don't mind do you?" that the person should just cooperate and say, "Sure, officer, let me pop the trunk lid for you!"? After all, if you have nothing to hide, right? What harm could possibly come from waiving your 4th amendment rights?

    Although, you did post that "life should be OK". The fact is that life does not always turn out to be OK...that is the exact reason why there is the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments, and exactly why I will fully exercise them, because that only increases my chances that life will remain to be OK.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  8. "So are you saying that if the officer would "just like to look around, you don't mind do you?"

    Absolutely NOT. If they have a warrant, I guess my giving in to a search is a foregone deal but otherwise....have a nice day!

    If its legal (or they think it is), they will search whether you give them permission or not. Then the ambulance chasers get involved to determine if it was actually legal. Cooperation has it limits, and my rights take precedence over my cooperation if the situation is in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp View Post
    "So are you saying that if the officer would "just like to look around, you don't mind do you?"

    Absolutely NOT. If they have a warrant, I guess my giving in to a search is a foregone deal but otherwise....have a nice day!

    If its legal (or they think it is), they will search whether you give them permission or not. Then the ambulance chasers get involved to determine if it was actually legal. Cooperation has it limits, and my rights take precedence over my cooperation if the situation is in question.
    Then I am confused. You posted "cooperate and life should be OK. It's the problem children...." So when does a person who is "not cooperating" become a "problem child"?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karenstaz View Post
    Hi All!

    I know that show permit/not show permit is a topic in and of itself, but if you are in a state where you do need to show your permit and you have two (one for your state and one for another), should you give over both permits in an LEO encounter?
    If your resident permit covers the area that you are in at the time and you must show a permit, show that one. Otherwise you have to show the other one.

    Also, when traveling out of state, keep a three ring binder with copies of all reciprocity agreements between the states. Therefore when Barney Fife pulls you over and has no idea why you showed him a UT permit when you are in OH and reside in PA, you can show him the law.

    Better yet, don't get pulled over... keep your vehicle in good operating order, check the lights around the vehicle often and don't speed.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

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    Well stated, Wolf_fire! I am just trying to be prepared for anything, but much prefer your point about just not getting pulled over at all.

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