Vermont Open Carrier Illegally Handcuffed, Detained by Police
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    Vermont Open Carrier Illegally Handcuffed, Detained by Police

    Vermont Open Carrier Illegally Handcuffed, Detained by Police

    Openly carrying a firearm in Vermont is completely legal. In addition, the Supreme Court of the United States has found that the mere presence of a firearm is not enough of a reason to detain someone. That means, unless a police officer suspects someone is committing a crime, he cannot detain someone simply because they have a firearm.

    However, that’s exactly what happened to Joshua Severance, a former service member of the National Guard.

    Severance was walking down a Vermont street on the way to his father’s house, openly carrying his 9mm handgun in a holster on his belt.

    Police in the area approached Severance, told him to put his hands on the police cruiser, seized his weapon, handcuffed him, and placed him the back of cruiser for at least 15 minutes. This is clearly a detention under the law.

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    I just don't know how this kind of thing can continue to happen. The police admit he is during nothing wrong, yet they detain him. It has to stop.

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    It happens when men believe that they are above the law and the Constitution. It is called a police state and is the enforcement arm of a tyrannical government. If we do not yet live in a tyranny, we are getting dangerously close. While most LEOs are good men doing a difficult job, there are always a few who are susceptible to the corrupting influence of power.

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    Clear abuse of power. Unlawful detainment. Maybe kidnapping?

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    Did anyone expect to hear the Sargent say that the cops were in the wrong?
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    Vermont Open Carrier Illegally Handcuffed, Detained by Police

    Rutland is a hot bed of drug crime. It seems that the gang bangers from NY cross over to us in Vermont to conduct business.
    They can pack heat and not face gun charges because Vermont is a no permit state.
    However, what the police are doing is a blatant violation of our GOD GIVEN rights and this is not the first time, nor will it be the last time that the Rutland cops have overstepped their authority.
    Rutland has tried to create and enforce their OWN laws that have been continuously struck down by the courts.
    Rutland is non friendly to gun owners and they have no problem in proving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesMorrison View Post
    Rutland is a hot bed of drug crime. It seems that the gang bangers from NY cross over to us in Vermont to conduct business.
    They can pack heat and not face gun charges because Vermont is a no permit state.
    This is happening everywhere in the country. Vermont with their pure constitutional adherence to 2A on the other hand give the BG an edge. BUT, what BG is his right mind is going to draw attention to himself by carrying his piece open and deliberately walk past a patrol car? When he could have just put his shirt back on and they would not been able to see the weapon.
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    Common sense regarding this kind of situation just isn't being used effectively, once they was in possession of the gun what threat was he to them, of course he wasn't but yet they will by matter of course intimidate those they are wishing to convince they shouldn't be exercising their legal rights under the law. They are hired to enforce the laws not interpret them to their way of thinking.
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    Sorry to hear there was a shooting just prior this incident and hope that no one was killed, but like the law abiding citizen said at the very end "what does that have to do with me"
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    The cops are wrong. The Sargent is wrong. They (the cops) say treating people like this is "normal" and is most definitely wrong. Getting real tired of the "Storm Trooper" mentality of the Police.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dogshawred View Post
    Vermont with their pure constitutional adherence to 2A on the other hand give the BG an edge.
    Seriously?!? Would you care to share with us exactly how Vermont's lack of gun control laws gives the BG an edge?!?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckey01 View Post
    It happens when men believe that they are above the law and the Constitution. It is called a police state and is the enforcement arm of a tyrannical government. If we do not yet live in a tyranny, we are getting dangerously close. While most LEOs are good men doing a difficult job, there are always a few who are susceptible to the corrupting influence of power.
    These days, it's a lot more than a few...
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