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    Words dont describe how angry this truly makes me. These Leo's are abusing the power given to them, this man showed no sign of agression or resistance after jumping down. They should all be dealt with in the same fashion.

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    Things like this infuriate me !! Not all peace officers are like this, I know I am not. This kind of crap gives us all a bad name. Believe me, these types of officers are in the minority. I worked for 30 years using the golden rule, it served me well. The only fights I had were during my first 16 months, working in the county jail. The inmate involved was a mental cases who could not be communicated with, and he attacked us. After that first 16 months I never had a fight again. I never shot anyone. A peace officer should be, above all, a great communicator. I would rather talk for a week than fight for a minute. I used the golden rule, and great communication skills, to work during my career. Do not judge an entire profession, by the actions of a few. Actions I condemn in the strongest possible way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K7lvo View Post
    So, they're either guilty of killing him, or of abusing a corpse after the taser killed him.
    IMO the latter is the worse of the two. Deserving of a rope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSDeputy View Post
    Things like this infuriate me !! Not all peace officers are like this, I know I am not. This kind of crap gives us all a bad name. Believe me, these types of officers are in the minority. I worked for 30 years using the golden rule, it served me well. The only fights I had were during my first 16 months, working in the county jail. The inmate involved was a mental cases who could not be communicated with, and he attacked us. After that first 16 months I never had a fight again. I never shot anyone. A peace officer should be, above all, a great communicator. I would rather talk for a week than fight for a minute. I used the golden rule, and great communication skills, to work during my career. Do not judge an entire profession, by the actions of a few. Actions I condemn in the strongest possible way.
    It only takes one rotten apple to ruin the whole basket. Why can't we the people take the same mindset as those we pay to enforce our laws have taken regarding us? In the last few decades, the elected officials (and not so elected POS in the white house) decided that they are better than us and started training their officers to oppress and kill. They violate the Geneva Convention at will, arming their police officers with military weapons, vehicles and equipment and train them at military bases in military tactics to use against civilians they designate as targets. I know of a few cops who speak of their duties as if they are at war openly in public. I'd be frightened, but they are too heavy and stupid to be much of a threat to anyone with much less than half a mind of their own. This is a collective mentality this nation's police have taken against the citizenry. Yes, not all are jackboot thugs and woulda been soldiers of fortune...but more than half I have ever met are. I hope you don't expect praise for doing your job correctly. Only going above and beyond warrants attention.

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    This is a sad situation, but be careful not to judge all by the actions of a few. I maintain most people don't hate police, unless they are hanging with people that are in conflict with the police. If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear of most police. But, you must be sure you are doing NOTHING wrong or unlawful, and by unlawful I mean UNLAWFUL. It has nothing to do with wether you agree with the law or not. Seems we have gotten into a mode of disregard for laws we don't agree with. But the law is still the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    It only takes one rotten apple to ruin the whole basket. Why can't we the people take the same mindset as those we pay to enforce our laws have taken regarding us? In the last few decades, the elected officials (and not so elected POS in the white house) decided that they are better than us and started training their officers to oppress and kill. They violate the Geneva Convention at will, arming their police officers with military weapons, vehicles and equipment and train them at military bases in military tactics to use against civilians they designate as targets. I know of a few cops who speak of their duties as if they are at war openly in public. I'd be frightened, but they are too heavy and stupid to be much of a threat to anyone with much less than half a mind of their own. This is a collective mentality this nation's police have taken against the citizenry. Yes, not all are jackboot thugs and woulda been soldiers of fortune...but more than half I have ever met are. I hope you don't expect praise for doing your job correctly. Only going above and beyond warrants attention.
    Outfitting civilian LE w military style weapons and tactics has been an ongoing venture since the Charles Whitman sniper incident in Texas (1966 I think), LA shootout and the Columbine school shooting. There IS a necessity for having our LE well armed and well trained and I don't take issue with that since history has proven time and time again that its needed. Otherwise high speed operations become a military operation and we don't want to have military rule and/or martial law being declared in our cities for something our civilian LE can respond to. History again has proven why that's a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dad45acp View Post
    Outfitting civilian LE w military style weapons and tactics has been an ongoing venture since the Charles Whitman sniper incident in Texas (1966 I think), LA shootout and the Columbine school shooting. There IS a necessity for having our LE well armed and well trained and I don't take issue with that since history has proven time and time again that its needed. Otherwise high speed operations become a military operation and we don't want to have military rule and/or martial law being declared in our cities for something our civilian LE can respond to. History again has proven why that's a bad thing.

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    That's rediculous. The LAPD tried to get military weapons in the absence of a SWAT team during a bank robbery in 1997 and it was all due poor or no command. Had they paid attention at all during training, they would have learned to grab cover behind a solid (not semi solid such as a squad car) object before engaging the threat. Had they thought it out, they would have had 12 ga slugs instead of just buckshot and been able to pummel the two russians with dozens of 1 oz slugs. I can see them giving up (or committing suicide as one did when confronted by an unarmored lone officer with a...you guessed it...9mm handgun.) Police are afforded all the time they need at the range along with sufficient ammo for training, which allows for drawing and firing from the holster (unlike most civilian ranges) and allows for semi-realistic scenarios to be tested out, such as returning fire on a heavily armed assailant, shooting on the move, firing from cover etc etc etc. I spend much less time at the range and training with my carry weapon than police do and I am a much better shot because I don't just go for an acceptable grouping while standing still squinting down the sights with my tongue out taking my sweet ass time. I use an old board stuck into the ground and have my kid blow a whistle and shoot while running...no excuse. Sometimes, just for a challenge, I stick it behind the sitting rocks around my fire pit. It was 20 some cops versus 2 at the beginning of the standoff and more cops filed in as the situation escalated. They had more than enough time to fire underneath their vehicles and disable the getaway car, which at the very least would have had a drastic psychological effect on the robbers. Even 5 officers emptying one 7 round magazine into the engine of a beater car would stop the vehicle. No freakin excuse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    That's rediculous. The LAPD tried to get military weapons in the absence of a SWAT team during a bank robbery in 1997 and it was all due poor or no command. Had they paid attention at all during training, they would have learned to grab cover behind a solid (not semi solid such as a squad car) object before engaging the threat. Had they thought it out, they would have had 12 ga slugs instead of just buckshot and been able to pummel the two russians with dozens of 1 oz slugs. I can see them giving up (or committing suicide as one did when confronted by an unarmored lone officer with a...you guessed it...9mm handgun.) Police are afforded all the time they need at the range along with sufficient ammo for training, which allows for drawing and firing from the holster (unlike most civilian ranges) and allows for semi-realistic scenarios to be tested out, such as returning fire on a heavily armed assailant, shooting on the move, firing from cover etc etc etc. I spend much less time at the range and training with my carry weapon than police do and I am a much better shot because I don't just go for an acceptable grouping while standing still squinting down the sights with my tongue out taking my sweet ass time. I use an old board stuck into the ground and have my kid blow a whistle and shoot while running...no excuse. Sometimes, just for a challenge, I stick it behind the sitting rocks around my fire pit. It was 20 some cops versus 2 at the beginning of the standoff and more cops filed in as the situation escalated. They had more than enough time to fire underneath their vehicles and disable the getaway car, which at the very least would have had a drastic psychological effect on the robbers. Even 5 officers emptying one 7 round magazine into the engine of a beater car would stop the vehicle. No freakin excuse...
    I'm guessing you don't have much experience in the public sector? And a shotgun in LE is only useful for shooting locks off doors to gain entry. Otherwise it has absolutely no use for an active shooter response especially when countering another high powered rifle. And cops don't shoot at engine blocks. A complete inefficient and ineffective way to use ammo when they are in a firefight. The LA shooting should be analyzed like this: The cops were waaaaay under armed against automatic rifles with A LOT of ammo and training for these high speed ops was delegated to SWAT only and not beat cops. Now beat cops have at least limited SWAT-type training and many carry ARs that would allow better ammo and range for active shootings. Which have markedly escalated in the last 12-15 years. I conclude that I'm not naive to think that an incident as posted in the OP demonstrates negligence in our civilian LE collectively and that it demonstrates a police state or what have you. This is a disturbing one for sure in the OP but if there was a school shooting tomorrow in my town, I want my LE entering with an AR with a butt load of 5.56 to put the suspect down just like any other mass shooting in the recent past. Not unlike why I have an AR to counter threats and to (hopefully) outgun my threat.

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  10. #29
    Forget the military equipment and training. Any way you cut it there is something horribly wrong when a government declares war on its own citizens.

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    Much of the problem that I have seen with the swat nonsense is that it is applied without the slightest trace of good judgement or common sense. While I live in a nice neighborhood, I have seen the home of a neighbor surrounded by swat guys and my neighbors marched out at gunpoint. It seems their son killed a rabid skunk that wandered in from the empty fields behind our homes with a single barrel .410 shotgun.

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