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    Quote Originally Posted by dad45acp View Post
    I'm guessing you don't have much experience in the public sector? And a shotgun in LE is only useful for shooting locks off doors to gain entry. Otherwise it has absolutely no use for an active shooter response especially when countering another high powered rifle. And cops don't shoot at engine blocks. A complete inefficient and ineffective way to use ammo when they are in a firefight. The LA shooting should be analyzed like this: The cops were waaaaay under armed against automatic rifles with A LOT of ammo and training for these high speed ops was delegated to SWAT only and not beat cops. Now beat cops have at least limited SWAT-type training and many carry ARs that would allow better ammo and range for active shootings. Which have markedly escalated in the last 12-15 years. I conclude that I'm not naive to think that an incident as posted in the OP demonstrates negligence in our civilian LE collectively and that it demonstrates a police state or what have you. This is a disturbing one for sure in the OP but if there was a school shooting tomorrow in my town, I want my LE entering with an AR with a butt load of 5.56 to put the suspect down just like any other mass shooting in the recent past. Not unlike why I have an AR to counter threats and to (hopefully) outgun my threat.

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    One cop sniper with a 30-06 or 308 and scoped could have knocked the 2 la shooters down in a few seconds. Trying to trade round for round is a ridiculous waste of ammo and manpower. The bigger issue is Leo busting down doors with 5 or 6 black ops decked out in killing gear to try and confiscate a fawn that was being cared for because it had been abandoned. That tells all you need to know. Cops are super brave when busting down doors to confiscate a baby deer but when an active shooter is around...need I mention columbine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimTh View Post
    One cop sniper with a 30-06 or 308 and scoped could have knocked the 2 la shooters down in a few seconds. Trying to trade round for round is a ridiculous waste of ammo and manpower. The bigger issue is Leo busting down doors with 5 or 6 black ops decked out in killing gear to try and confiscate a fawn that was being cared for because it had been abandoned. That tells all you need to know. Cops are super brave when busting down doors to confiscate a baby deer but when an active shooter is around...need I mention columbine?
    Columbine is old news and old school tactics were used just like the LA shooting. Columbine had direct influence on active shooter response today however and many changes have been implemented. But hey...you and so many out there always seem to have the best ideas, right? Experts without ever feeling the heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimTh View Post
    One cop sniper with a 30-06 or 308 and scoped could have knocked the 2 la shooters down in a few seconds. Trying to trade round for round is a ridiculous waste of ammo and manpower. The bigger issue is Leo busting down doors with 5 or 6 black ops decked out in killing gear to try and confiscate a fawn that was being cared for because it had been abandoned. That tells all you need to know. Cops are super brave when busting down doors to confiscate a baby deer but when an active shooter is around...need I mention columbine?
    Ooooo i liked and then unliked it because you were right on point but then again.......you're a moron who supports taking wild animals out of their natural habitat. The WI DNR was dressed for business because PETA members were on their way to "protest" and we all know how PETA and their pals Greenpeace protest...by attacking officers and using dirty homemade bombs to spread pollution and toxic chemicals around when they blow up machinery that was in good not leaking condition. All because the DNR observed the shelters 4th amendment rights by obtaining a warrant after waiting for the shelter to produce the fawn to prove it was free of CWD for over two weeks. PETA also says that putting my dog on a leash when walking him is abuse. Letting him run free and in front of speeding 2000 pound cars is abuse...

    Nevertheless, the shelter was wrong. They hid a deer and caused its death by obstructing justice and lying to investigators, staff resisted arrest when the DNR and SO executed the warrant and threatened death to regular people who were on the DNR facebook page and not talking about the damn deer in the first place...just a delicious crappie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Ooooo i liked and then unliked it because you were right on point but then again.......you're a moron who supports taking wild animals out of their natural habitat. The WI DNR was dressed for business because PETA members were on their way to "protest" and we all know how PETA and their pals Greenpeace protest...by attacking officers and using dirty homemade bombs to spread pollution and toxic chemicals around when they blow up machinery that was in good not leaking condition. All because the DNR observed the shelters 4th amendment rights by obtaining a warrant after waiting for the shelter to produce the fawn to prove it was free of CWD for over two weeks. PETA also says that putting my dog on a leash when walking him is abuse. Letting him run free and in front of speeding 2000 pound cars is abuse...

    Nevertheless, the shelter was wrong. They hid a deer and caused its death by obstructing justice and lying to investigators, staff resisted arrest when the DNR and SO executed the warrant and threatened death to regular people who were on the DNR facebook page and not talking about the damn deer in the first place...just a delicious crappie.
    This is a perfect example of why people hate the police. Wasting taxpayers money and acting like they were raiding a compound searching for Osoma Bin Laden. Did the DNR actually think that the volunteers at a no-kill-shelter were going to mount an attack against them with automatic weapons and RPG's? Was the no-kill-shelter stuffing packs of cocaine inside puppies and shipping them for the drug cartel? No! All this over a baby dear that was found abandoned in Illinois, taken to the shelter to be nursed back to health and was scheduled to be released to a nature preserve the next day. It was overkill on the part of the police and the DNR which could have been better handled with a phone call or one deputy showing up and writing a ticket. A good example of every problem is a nail that needs a hammer mentality.

    PETA was not on the way to stage a protest or through dirty bombs at the police. The shelter did not know anything about the raid but somehow PETA found out, notified their Greenpeace pals and organized a protest and did all of this without calling the shelter and giving them a heads up? Where do you get this stuff? The shelter did not lie to police, they confirmed that they had the animal and it was scheduled to be released the next day. Did the shelter break a state law by housing a wild animal? On that charge they appear to be guilty of which the penalty is a fine. No one was arrested and there were no charges filed. Just a perfect example of the police state gone wild. If you have an article that says otherwise I would like to read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSlick View Post
    This is a perfect example of why people hate the police. Wasting taxpayers money and acting like they were raiding a compound searching for Osoma Bin Laden. Did the DNR actually think that the volunteers at a no-kill-shelter were going to mount an attack against them with automatic weapons and RPG's? Was the no-kill-shelter stuffing packs of cocaine inside puppies and shipping them for the drug cartel? No! All this over a baby dear that was found abandoned in Illinois, taken to the shelter to be nursed back to health and was scheduled to be released to a nature preserve the next day. It was overkill on the part of the police and the DNR which could have been better handled with a phone call or one deputy showing up and writing a ticket. A good example of every problem is a nail that needs a hammer mentality.

    PETA was not on the way to stage a protest or through dirty bombs at the police. The shelter did not know anything about the raid but somehow PETA found out, notified their Greenpeace pals and organized a protest and did all of this without calling the shelter and giving them a heads up? Where do you get this stuff? The shelter did not lie to police, they confirmed that they had the animal and it was scheduled to be released the next day. Did the shelter break a state law by housing a wild animal? On that charge they appear to be guilty of which the penalty is a fine. No one was arrested and there were no charges filed. Just a perfect example of the police state gone wild. If you have an article that says otherwise I would like to read it.
    Yes, because the staff were knowingly committing crimes. Like I said before, game wardens are the most underpaid and under appreciated Police officers in this country. And most of them are actually GOOD cops. You're confusing emotion with fact on the release date...the warrant was obtained legally after 2 weeks of stonewalling and lying by the shelter staff. That they planned to "release" the stupid doe the next day is irrelevant. The law was followed to the letter, no one was arrested even when they should have been for obstruction and the shelter was allowed to file a grievance. Filing complaints against LEOs in WI usually gets you arrested on trumped up charges...i don't see any of the shelter staff in jail for filing the grievance. I see them on the DNR facebook page making death threats and swearing at children who were just excited about fishing and their first hunt. No charges there either. A "police state gone wild" would have arrested the shelter staff for much lesser crimes than terroristic threats, which is a felony...

    FYI, I've come across a very young fawn in the woods and had the mother run off and hide while I was close enough to snatch it. Any knowledgeable hunter knows that most deer will lie down and not move until you step on them. Claiming a doe is "abandoned" just because you don't actually see the mother is about as asinine as the peekaboo mentality of concealed carry only people. Like a two year old, you assume that just because you can't see something, it isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dad45acp View Post
    Columbine is old news and old school tactics were used just like the LA shooting. Columbine had direct influence on active shooter response today however and many changes have been implemented. But hey...you and so many out there always seem to have the best ideas, right? Experts without ever feeling the heat.

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    What do you know about heat? When's the last time you took a life? It's been 2,702 days for me. Hooah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricolordad View Post
    Ooooo i liked and then unliked it because you were right on point but then again.......you're a moron who supports taking wild animals out of their natural habitat. The WI DNR was dressed for business because PETA members were on their way to "protest" and we all know how PETA and their pals Greenpeace protest...by attacking officers and using dirty homemade bombs to spread pollution and toxic chemicals around when they blow up machinery that was in good not leaking condition. All because the DNR observed the shelters 4th amendment rights by obtaining a warrant after waiting for the shelter to produce the fawn to prove it was free of CWD for over two weeks. PETA also says that putting my dog on a leash when walking him is abuse. Letting him run free and in front of speeding 2000 pound cars is abuse...

    Nevertheless, the shelter was wrong. They hid a deer and caused its death by obstructing justice and lying to investigators, staff resisted arrest when the DNR and SO executed the warrant and threatened death to regular people who were on the DNR facebook page and not talking about the damn deer in the first place...just a delicious crappie.
    Okay...so obama and holder can chose which laws they will enforce but dnr enforces those law where they can dress up in barbie battle gear. HaHaHaHaHaHaHa...oops I meant lol didn't I. Oh...Oh...I know dnr is state an the 2 idiots are fed. the Bambie law is a waste of resources and should have been passed on. Now what if one of those Barney Phyfe's got a bit trigger nervous and used the bullet that Andy gave him. Let's see...how many citizens or their dogs need to be killed to make the confiscation of Bambi news worthy. That has already been answered...zero. Now how many citizens and their dogs did the black ops want to kill because they had a Bambi without permission?

  9. "First they tased him several times on the roof ..."
    Yeah, since they acquired that toy they use it every chance they get whether it's necessary or not. I don't even watch "COPS" anymore - can't stand the boot thug mentality these young cops are brainwashed to practice.


    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    This is why people hate the police because more and more of them are over stepping their authority.


    PHOENIX, AZ A 44-year-old man climbed onto the roof of his apartment and began acting strangely. Police arrived to help him down, but instead ended up killing him.

    Michael Angel Ruiz had a history of drug addiction. On July 28, for reasons unknown, he climbed onto the roof of his apartment. Witnesses called the police to protect his safety. This turned out to have been a fatal decision.

    First they tased him several times on the roof. He finally complied and hopped down. Cops immediately swarmed him and put him in a choke-hold.

    Witness Gary Carthen said that Ruiz was "getting choked out and tased at the same time." He remained in a choke-hold for at least three minutes.

    The most disturbing moments were to come. Michael Ruiz, now fully restrained, was dragged down the concrete stairs on his face. As deputies held his arms behind his back, they allowed his head to dangle and thump against every stair. At this point Ruiz may have already lost consciousness, and was making no attempt to lift his head. Video shows him lifelessly suffering head trauma on the descent down the stair case.

    I just felt sick to my stomach, said Richard Erickson, a retired police detective. Id never seen anything like this before, even when I was with the police department.

    READ MORE: Police taser man to get him off a roof, choke & drag him face-down across a staircase, killing him | Police State USA
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  10. Dont judge the officers if you werent there.

    In too many situations, the media is all too ready to paint a negative picture of Law Enforcement. I dont know what really happened at this scene, I wasnt there. The only information I know is from the media.

    First consider this, if it were'nt for the mans erractic behavior in the first place, the police would'nt respond.

    Also consider that the news media is out to make money. Distorting or streatching the truth, or omitting facts, is a way of sensationalizing a story. Which means mor sales in newspapers and higher ratings on TV.




    Quote Originally Posted by opsspec1991 View Post
    This is why people hate the police because more and more of them are over stepping their authority.


    PHOENIX, AZ A 44-year-old man climbed onto the roof of his apartment and began acting strangely. Police arrived to help him down, but instead ended up killing him.

    Michael Angel Ruiz had a history of drug addiction. On July 28, for reasons unknown, he climbed onto the roof of his apartment. Witnesses called the police to protect his safety. This turned out to have been a fatal decision.

    First they tased him several times on the roof. He finally complied and hopped down. Cops immediately swarmed him and put him in a choke-hold.

    Witness Gary Carthen said that Ruiz was "getting choked out and tased at the same time." He remained in a choke-hold for at least three minutes.

    The most disturbing moments were to come. Michael Ruiz, now fully restrained, was dragged down the concrete stairs on his face. As deputies held his arms behind his back, they allowed his head to dangle and thump against every stair. At this point Ruiz may have already lost consciousness, and was making no attempt to lift his head. Video shows him lifelessly suffering head trauma on the descent down the stair case.

    I just felt sick to my stomach, said Richard Erickson, a retired police detective. Id never seen anything like this before, even when I was with the police department.

    READ MORE: Police taser man to get him off a roof, choke & drag him face-down across a staircase, killing him | Police State USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    Love the passion, find out the facts prior to spewing. Corners report has yet to be published, at least as far as I know. Propaganda or fact or manipulated facts. I guess one has to draw the line somewhere. You draw yours, I'll draw mine. ALL I simply stated was cause and effect. The man had recorded history. NOT THAT THIS WAS RIGHT.......but the man had recorded history. (one more time.....really slowly.........cause and effect)
    As for wild, unrestrained LEO's, I do not state there are not any. What I do state is that most respect their positions and the Law. (beat me up as you please. Especially if it makes you fell better)
    Interesting thread. I had to chime in on this part of it. One thing that applies to LEO that does not apply to those they interact with is the need to de-escalate a situation and respond with appropriate force. That level of force is a fluid thing that can change throughout an encounter. Once a person is compliant or detained/restrained, the LEO need to adjust their attitude to match the circumstances. I think most of the things like this we see (think Rodney King) are not because there is a good guy being beat down or killed by the man, it is from LEO letting emotion, adrenaline and/or vengeance compromise their situational awareness.
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    I think it has always happened, but 20 years ago everyone on the street wasn't in possession of a video camera (phone). I don't think that LEO are getting better or worse, I just think the bad ones are getting recorded and the internet makes publishing it easy.
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