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    Quote Originally Posted by tseciwa View Post
    In too many situations, the media is all too ready to paint a negative picture of Law Enforcement. I dont know what really happened at this scene, I wasnt there. The only information I know is from the media.

    First consider this, if it were'nt for the mans erractic behavior in the first place, the police would'nt respond.

    Also consider that the news media is out to make money. Distorting or streatching the truth, or omitting facts, is a way of sensationalizing a story. Which means mor sales in newspapers and higher ratings on TV.
    This is appallingly cavalier about a guy who was killed by cops.

    The subject was unarmed and complying, even if his compliance took longer than the jack-booted-thugs wanted. He likely injured his leg or ankles by jumping off the roof, but whether he did or he didn't, both (another) tasering and a choke-hold was applied to a compliant subject. That we do know from the video. What happened after the fifth step that his head hit against, nobody here knows, except for one salient fact: the compliant subject is dead.

    And you want to blame media for us having that information? It almost sounds as though you'd be happier if no one ever heard of or saw the abuse present in that video.

    I will judge the officers who were responsible for killing an unarmed, compliant subject. Don't you ask me not to.

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    cops are HATING on the possible requirement that they wear personal video corders! :-)

  4. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    My dog is right at one year old. We don't have a fenced backyard, so I have to walk him out there on a leash a few times a day so he can do his business. Our house is one of two in a cul-de-sac, so when we walk on either side of the house, the rest of the street is visible to us, and we are visible to it. At night I use a flashlight instead of the bright security lighting. I like the dark, and it's easier to avoid the landmines my dog, Blue, has previously dropped with it anyway, so about 1:00 this morning, I leashed Blue and headed out for our last business-run with flashlight in hand.

    As soon as I walked out on the back deck, I noticed bright lights were illuminating part of my back yard coming from the front of the house and shining down the side. I also noticed that blue lights were flashing. The lights were bright enough that I knew I wouldn't be able to see anything looking directly into them, so I took Blue to the opposite side of the house first to try to see what was going on up the street. When I got there, I could see an ambulance and two cop cars with all their lights on facing my house, parked two doors up the street. I could also see two cops standing in that driveway talking to John, my neighbor. Not wanting to be overly-nosy, or attract any unwanted attention from the cops, I took Blue out to the far corner of my approximately one-acre yard where he normally does his "big" business and gave him all 26' of the retractable leash to cruise around looking for that perfect spot to unburden himself. We were the farthest away from the part of my property that faces John's house, but still visible if someone was looking out there, which, apparently, at least one of the cops was.

    All of a sudden I hear an authoritarian-sounding voice say loudly, "What are you doing out here?!?!" At the same time the cop shone his flashlight in my face as I was turning towards the sound of his voice. He was standing about 15' feet from me in my own backyard. I said, "Lower the light dude! This is my backyard and I'm walkin' my f!$&ing dog! The question is, what are you doing out here!?!?" He says, "Walking your dog at 1:00 in the morning?" "Yeah man, it's the last thing I do before going to bed every single night for the last year! You can probably go back where you came from and ask John. I'm sure he sees me out here all the time." Then he asks me for ID! I told him to get lost, I'm going to bed, and started walking back towards the house. He says, "How do I know you even live here?" I advised him to radio his partner, whom I could still see was talking to John in his driveway, and ask him to identify me, which unbelievably, he actually did. John told his partner that he knew I was his neighbor because he'd seen me when Blue and I first came around my house. The cop says, "Well, OK then, but I don't know why you got such an attitude. We're just out here trying to look after your property." I'm thinkin' to myself, "Yeah, right. You get in my face, shine a flashlight in my eyes, start questioning me for no reason whatsoever, trespass while you're doing it, and you're looking after my best interests???" I just said, "Yeah, whatever, you can get off my property now."

    I just got back from talking to John. He's probably 70 or older. Turns out his wife has developed dementia and has gotten increasingly violent over the last several months. He feels scared to put his hands on her to try to control her when she goes off because she doesn't even remember what happened once the cops get there after she calls them. If she has bruises on her arms, or gets scratched or something while John's trying to calm her down, that's all the "evidence of abuse" the cops would need to arrest him, so instead of doing all that, he changed the locks on the front and back doors to keyed locks both inside and out, and locks her inside while he goes outside to call 911. Apparently the cops have been out here four times in the last couple or three months, but it was either while I was at work, or asleep or whatever, and didn't know about it until this morning.

    Anyway, I don't hate cops, but I sure as Hell don't like 'em demanding ID and an accounting of my sleep schedule while they're trespassing on my property. If I didn't know for a fact what a completely frustrating waste of time it would be, I would go to the cop-shop and file a complaint. The CoP doesn't care though. While this is the first time cops have ever even been on my property since I've owned it (12 years), it isn't the first I've heard of their rude and demanding style of "policing" that their Chief approves of and encourages. Conspiracy or otherwise, the attitude by cops that they can break the law with impunity is as pervasive as it has ever been across this country, and it's only getting worse.

    The saying, "Don't piss down my collar and tell me it's raining" comes to mind. Cops are, by and large, abusive thugs.

    Blues
    There’s more to this story than you’re telling, if the cop was 15 feet away it should have been self evident that you were walking your dog. Just from what you did tell us it sounds like you were an ass to the cop from the moment you opened your mouth and then you wonder why all your experiences are bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Dollar View Post
    There’s more to this story than you’re telling, if the cop was 15 feet away it should have been self evident that you were walking your dog. Just from what you did tell us it sounds like you were an ass to the cop from the moment you opened your mouth and then you wonder why all your experiences are bad
    That's right Johnny Come Lately, I'm an ass to all trespassers who refuse to leave my property when ordered to do so.

    It was self-evident that I was walking my dog. That's why it makes the cop an ass for even walking to my property line, much less actually crossing into it. Yet you assume I'm leaving something out and am wrong for not verbally fellating the trespasser just because he wears a badge. You should go find a cop to help you get rid of that woody and quit trying to get your rocks off with me. Troll.

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Dollar View Post
    There’s more to this story than you’re telling, if the cop was 15 feet away it should have been self evident that you were walking your dog. Just from what you did tell us it sounds like you were an ass to the cop from the moment you opened your mouth and then you wonder why all your experiences are bad
    Blues has referenced this story before. I see nothing in this version that is altered dramatically from any of the other times he has told this.

    I too would have been a ticked off angry ass-whole if the cop wanted to know why I was out in my own backyard at 1am as well. Why must there be "more to this story"? Would you have been a compliant submissive subject if a cop was badgering you? If you have questions about the story, then ask. Instead, your style is to browbeat, point the finger at the one being abused by the cops, and say "it's your fault the cop was a jerk"? Seriously?

    And you have the audacity to call Blues an ass?
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    I did some more digging on you Johnny. Something didn't sit right with how you responded to Blues. I realized you had read one of his other posts about this encounter. Here's your quote just a few hours before the one on this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Dollar View Post
    If you're walking the dog and you have a dog right there on a leash and you're in your front yard wouldn't it be easier to just say "I'm walking my dog"?
    By the time stamp, you had already known about this encounter because you read it in another thread and told him he should have been a submissive and told the cop, while holding a leashed dog, "I'm walking my dog".
    Then, just a few hours later, you come onto this thread and call him the instigator of the situation. I can now see why Blues refers to you as a troll. Why is it so hard to accept that this cop was acting like a badge-empowered thug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    No, it would be why SOME people hate the police. Few people hate all the police because the actions of a few bad cops.
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    From watching the video, it appears the choke hold is what did the damage. He was obviously unconscious going down the stairs, and what few blows his head did take weren't all that hard. They didn't support his head, but they were holding his arms up so his head didn't hit every step, and what steps it did hit it didn't appear to hit with full force. At least not enough to make you brain dead anyway. I wonder what the autopsy said. He died Aug 2nd.
    Thank you Rhino. I was going to be a late replier and then I read your comment, which is exactly what I was going to say---SOME PEOPLE is the operative comment. I do not know where y'all live etal but I have never ever had a bad experience of any kind with any LEOs. In my town I have been through a Citizen's Police Academy, where we are introduced to every department and quite a few officers in our department. I am now a member of the Policy Academy Alumni Group and we support and assist LEOs on "non-police type activities"--ie: I volunteer and man the front desk at the station at times, which is basically as an operator transferring calls to various departments (our town is part of a multicounty dispatch system so the calls are not 911s but direct calls to the department, which I can transfer, if necessary to dispatch/911). I consider the Chief as a friend. My son in law was a police officer who is now full time Army National Guard. Guess what guys?--there are good and bad everywhere in life; second guessing a decision by an LEO is easy, it is a shame when things get whitewashed and they should not--explain that to our whole damn country as it goes down the drain with our incompetent narcissistic, moslem, communist thug at the helm. I just find it troubling when these threads "pop up" and many are anxious to get on the bandwagon--mottos come to mind; "it is always the squeaky wheel that gets the grease"; "if it bleeds it leads"; and do not forget the "silent majority"--ya know those that never have all these problems with LEOs and praise their efforts--amazes me when some jump up and down on probably less than 1% of all police/citizenry interactions that have some kind of problem or offense by an officer.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    That's right Johnny Come Lately, I'm an ass to all trespassers who refuse to leave my property when ordered to do so.

    It was self-evident that I was walking my dog. That's why it makes the cop an ass for even walking to my property line, much less actually crossing into it. Yet you assume I'm leaving something out and am wrong for not verbally fellating the trespasser just because he wears a badge. You should go find a cop to help you get rid of that woody and quit trying to get your rocks off with me. Troll.

    Blues
    Hey, your trailer , your lot , your rules

    I still have a hard time believing that a cop would just walk into your yard in the middle of the night , especially while he's on a completely un related mission. Maybe if they were looking for a fugitive but not while handling essentially a medical call.

    But even if we assume you're telling the truth I'm gonna guess that if you hadn't shown your ass at the first sign of a badge (something else I have a hard time with ) it would have gone a lot smoother.

    You ( well, maybe not you but most people) can tell a cop they aren't happy with him being in their yard with out being a completel ass about it
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    I did some more digging on you Johnny. Something didn't sit right with how you responded to Blues. I realized you had read one of his other posts about this encounter. Here's your quote just a few hours before the one on this thread:



    By the time stamp, you had already known about this encounter because you read it in another thread and told him he should have been a submissive and told the cop, while holding a leashed dog, "I'm walking my dog".
    Then, just a few hours later, you come onto this thread and call him the instigator of the situation. I can now see why Blues refers to you as a troll. Why is it so hard to accept that this cop was acting like a badge-empowered thug?
    First your homeboy posted a link to this thread and invited me to check it out that's how I got here.


    Why is it so hard to accept that this cop was acting like a badge-empowered thug?


    Because I see the way BS treats people here (granted he's got a computer to hide behind) based on that I believe it's very likely that he said something nasty to the cop right out of the gate, How else would you expect the cop to respond?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Dollar View Post
    Hey, your trailer , your lot , your rules

    I still have a hard time believing that a cop would just walk into your yard in the middle of the night , especially while he's on a completely un related mission. Maybe if they were looking for a fugitive but not while handling essentially a medical call.

    But even if we assume you're telling the truth I'm gonna guess that if you hadn't shown your ass at the first sign of a badge (something else I have a hard time with ) it would have gone a lot smoother.

    You ( well, maybe not you but most people) can tell a cop they aren't happy with him being in their yard with out being a completel ass about it
    The problem with some cops is that they think their badge is a "I can do whatever I want" license. He said the dog was on an extended leash, so even though it might not have been readily apparent that he was walking a dog, a cop can ask a question from a distance rather than walking onto your property. Questioning while already trespassing, then being an ass by questioning the timing of walking your dog is enough to provoke most people to be less than polite. I would have reacted the same way.
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