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    First Encounter With LEO since receiving CCP.

    Well it happened tonight. I got pulled over after going through the tail end of a yellow light. Talk about nervous. The officer came to my drivers window asked for the usual license, registration and proof of insurance. I had both hands on the steering wheel and I informed the officer that I had my CCP and that I was in fact carrying. He asked if it was on my hip and I informed him that it was between the seat and the console. I moved my leg a little and he was able to see it. He politely if not sarcastically said " as long as you don't reach for it we're all set." He noticed that I did have my permit in my wallet and he noticed it when I was fumbling for my license and asked if he could see it. I passed it to him he passed it back and thanked me for letting him know that I was carrying (Here in Maine we don't have to let LEO's know that we are carrying) and went back to his vehicle and ran my info. When he came back he said to watch the signals more closely from now on and then asked what I was carrying. I told him it was an SR40c. He replied "Nice" and thanked me again for letting him know I was carrying. Oh BTW I didn't get a ticket, WHEW!

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    I'm glad things went well for you and you didn't get one of the LEO's that is badge empowered. This could have gone a heck of a lot worse for you by bringing up a firearm in a situation in which the firearm had no connection with the stop. He pulled you over for a traffic violation only. The firearm, and any other weapons (tire iron, car jack, etc.), have no place being discussed during this detainment. It makes no one safer letting people know about it. If he had asked you to secure it for "everyone's safety" then it is certainly not safer while there is unnecessary handling of a weapon. And if you are doing it as a "courtesy" thing, might I suggest that you tell everyone you encounter then... the McDonald's worker, the convenience store clerk, etc. You see, it makes no sense to bring up a legal activity during a traffic stop detainment, and it can go very wrong with some of the jack boot thugs that seem to think they have more power than they really do with a badge.

    And FWIW, I'm part of my county's Sheriff's Reserve Division. Trust me, we go into every situation assuming you are already armed.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

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    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Navy that was awesome! Thanks for the laugh. Lol :)

  6. Quote Originally Posted by itsmikey01 View Post
    He politely if not sarcastically said " as long as you don't reach for it we're all set."
    How can you be polite and sarcastic at the same time?
    We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, we don't take our trips on LSD. We don't burn our draft cards Down on Main Street. 'Cause we like livin' right and being free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmikey01 View Post
    Well it happened tonight. I got pulled over after going through the tail end of a yellow light. Talk about nervous. The officer came to my drivers window asked for the usual license, registration and proof of insurance. I had both hands on the steering wheel and I informed the officer that I had my CCP and that I was in fact carrying. He asked if it was on my hip and I informed him that it was between the seat and the console. I moved my leg a little and he was able to see it. He politely if not sarcastically said " as long as you don't reach for it we're all set." He noticed that I did have my permit in my wallet and he noticed it when I was fumbling for my license and asked if he could see it. I passed it to him he passed it back and thanked me for letting him know that I was carrying (Here in Maine we don't have to let LEO's know that we are carrying) and went back to his vehicle and ran my info. When he came back he said to watch the signals more closely from now on and then asked what I was carrying. I told him it was an SR40c. He replied "Nice" and thanked me again for letting him know I was carrying. Oh BTW I didn't get a ticket, WHEW!
    If you live in a state that doesn't require you to inform I would not do so unless asked or unless I'm told to get out of the car. This could have gone much differently if the LEO was a hump.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

  8. Is this really that big a deal? Oklahoma requires notification so when I ever get pulled over I will but I've been pulled over with a 30-30 in the gun rack in the back window and the cop didn't give a damn. At least he didn't say anything
    We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, we don't take our trips on LSD. We don't burn our draft cards Down on Main Street. 'Cause we like livin' right and being free.

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    wow I got spanked on that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmikey01 View Post
    wow I got spanked on that post.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by itsmikey01 View Post
    wow I got spanked on that post.

    You are new and we are a tough crowd. The problem is that there is an ongoing and frequent discussion that comes up at least once per week about why it is that law enforcement officers are special above other citizens and why they deserve to be told about your lawfully carried firearm when other people don't. Nobody has been able to answer that question yet. Maybe you can help us to understand. You are traveling late at night and you stop at a convenience store for coffee to stay awake or gas. Before you walk into the store, think about the store clerk in there for a moment. They have no idea who just pulled into the parking lot. You might be a person who is just going to buy coffee and be pleasant and be a good guy - or you might be someone who is going to walk in and stick a gun in their face for $100 out of the cash drawer and a carton of cigarettes. Or, maybe you are going to drag them to the back and rape them. So, now, when you go to pay for your coffee you accidentally flash your gun when you reach for your wallet. What is the convenience store clerk supposed to think?


    So, our question that we never have gotten a satisfactory answer to is why is the police officer more deserving to know about your lawfully carried firearm than the convenience store clerk? Why would you not inform the store clerk about your permit and gun when you first walked in? Why would you not want to show the store clerk that you were a good guy by showing them your gun permit? The store clerk just wants to go home safe at the end of their shift to their family. The store clerk is in a dangerous job and subject to be the victim of a criminal at any moment. The Department of Labor says there are nine or ten professions that workers are more likely to die on the job than police officers are including farmers, lumber workers and sanitation workers. So why are police officers more worthy of being informed about your permit and gun than the farmer is who puts themselves in more danger every day than the police officer in order to provide food in the grocery store for you to eat. Or the sanitation worker who puts themselves in more danger every week than a police officer does in order to take away your trash?


    And, in addition, how many more hundreds of thousands of traffic stops every day go just like yours did where the gun or a permit is never mentioned by either the person stopped or the law enforcement officer? Almost finally, if you carry to protect yourself in the slight chance that you might meet a criminal among the hundreds of people you pass in public during the day, then why do you take the chance of offering your gun to a police officer who might just use that opportunity to pull you out of the vehicle, take your gun from you, needlessly handle it, unload it, run the serial number to see if it is stolen and frisk you and search the allowable area of the vehicle all without your consent? It doesn't make any sense to carry a gun to protect yourself from the once in a lifetime chance that you might have to use it to stop a criminal and then to just offer it up as a sacrifice to a law enforcement officer who might react to it in the extreme.


    Finally, why is the gun different than other object that you legally possessed? The gun, in your holster, is no more of a danger to the law enforcement officer than the tire iron in your trunk is or the cell phone in your pocket is. In fact, if you were a lawyer, that cell phone in your pocket would probably pose more danger to a law enforcement officer's career than your gun, so if you were a lawyer, would you tell the officer about your license to practice law right up front just to be polite and respectful? How many hundreds of thousands of traffic stops every day go just exactly like yours did where a gun or permit is never mentioned by either the law enforcement officer or the subject, so why are traffic stops where the police officer was professional after being informed of a lawfully carried gun so special? Is it that we expect less of police officers and the ones who remain professional are the rarity?


    I know you just posted because you were excited about your stop because it was a first for you. But all of the above just happens to be the crapstorm that you walked into, probably unknowingly. There are ten states where notifying the police officer is required by law (which is a law that accomplishes nothing towards officer safety), we are only discussing the other 40 states where it is not required...btw. People claim to tell the officer about their permit and gun for the sake of the officer - either for their safety or to be "polite" or "respectful". We just don't see why that doesn't apply to other classes of citizens as well who either risk being a victim of a criminal every day on the job or have a higher risk of dying on the job in order to provide an essential benefit to the public. It seems like the only real logical reason to do so is to hope to gain favor in the officer's eyes to increase the chances of getting out of the ticket the person deserved to get.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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