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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Sounds like, through his lawyer, he just made another one. Doesn't matter though. He'll get off.
    Look at the Charles Kinsey shooting. He, the North Miami PD, and the police union have told AT LEAST three mutually exclusive stories. There's not the slightest indication that the shooter will face any consequences at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    Look at the Charles Kinsey shooting. He, the North Miami PD, and the police union have told AT LEAST three mutually exclusive stories. There's not the slightest indication that the shooter will face any consequences at all.
    I am at the point where I rarely even cite specific incidents of cop corruption and abuse. I think very nearly all of them belong behind bars, if for no other more specific reason than daily violations of 18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law. Show me a cop who hasn't violated the 1st, 2nd, 4th or 5th Amendments during their tour of duty (a shift if you prefer), and I'll show you either a retired cop or one who passed away for whatever reason before their tour began. The cop who shot Kinsey could/should get 10 years just on the basis of 18 U.S. Code 242, and could/should get more than that based on local/state laws where sentences could/should run consecutively. Prosecutors and judges who let this special treatment pass for LEOs should face the same penalties under 18 U.S. Code 242. The fact that none of them do face those penalties though, is proof that they're all on the same team, all in it together, and all law-breakers, and the system that fails to hold them to account is broken beyond repair. Kinsey's shooter is just one among millions of illegal and unconstitutional actions by government agents at all levels, from the cop on the beat to the prosecutors and judges to the DOJ to the Supreme Court that codifies rewriting the above-mentioned amendments by judicial fiat.

    It's why I can say with confidence that Yanez will get off. The game is fixed, which really means it's broken beyond repair.

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    Thanks bofh.

    What do you think about the judge "leaning towards" editing out the portion of Reynolds' recording telling Yanez and the FaceBook audience (if any) that Castile had a permit to carry?

    Combined with the defense's clear intentions to paint Castile as having smoked pot in close time-proximity to the killing, it looks to me like every stereotype of young black men in the book, including trying to suppress information concerning his status as a permitted carrier, will be used to confuse the jury into thinking Castile was a thug on-par with Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.

    I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty sure we're about to sit around our computers and TVs to watch the next installment of Kabuki Theater for the Masses. Let the games begin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Thanks bofh.

    What do you think about the judge "leaning towards" editing out the portion of Reynolds' recording telling Yanez and the FaceBook audience (if any) that Castile had a permit to carry?

    Combined with the defense's clear intentions to paint Castile as having smoked pot in close time-proximity to the killing, it looks to me like every stereotype of young black men in the book, including trying to suppress information concerning his status as a permitted carrier, will be used to confuse the jury into thinking Castile was a thug on-par with Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.

    I guess we'll see, but I'm pretty sure we're about to sit around our computers and TVs to watch the next installment of Kabuki Theater for the Masses. Let the games begin....

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    Pretty much.

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    The defense may have painted themselves into a corner.

    If there was no reason for the cop to believe that Castile had a CCW credential, neither was there any for him to believe that Castile was impaired in any specific way. The drug claim may be excluded on the same basis as the CCW license.

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    This is certainly interesting: Minnesota officer on tape: ‘I don’t know where the gun was’. Most notably:

    An officer who arrived on the scene, Roseville police Officer Juan Toran, said he performed CPR on Castile. As paramedics were rolling Castile onto a backboard, Toran said he saw the gun slide out of Castile’s front right pocket. Toran said he didn’t even have to reach into the pocket to grab it.

    But St. Paul firefighter Eric Torgerson, a paramedic, testified that he saw an officer reach deeply into the pocket to retrieve the pistol.
    This is also interesting: Dashcam footage of Philando Castile shooting played in Yanez trial. Most notably:

    Castile was shot after voluntarily telling Yanez he had a gun, Dusterhoft said, adding that Yanez’s instructions — “OK, don’t reach for it, then” — could have been clearer.

    “He didn’t tell Mr. Castile to freeze,” the prosecutor said. “He didn’t tell him to put his hands up.”

    Defense attorney Paul Engh argued in his opening statements that Castile ignored Yanez’s orders, forcing the officer to act within his training and accepted police protocol to protect himself.

    “He has his hand on the gun,” Engh said of Castile’s movements in the car. “The next command is, ‘Don’t pull it out.’ … [Yanez] can’t retreat … But for Mr. Castile’s continuous grip on the handgun, we would not be here.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    This is also interesting: Dashcam footage of Philando Castile shooting played in Yanez trial. Most notably:

    “He has his hand on the gun,” Engh said of Castile’s movements in the car. “The next command is, ‘Don’t pull it out.’ … [Yanez] can’t retreat … But for Mr. Castile’s continuous grip on the handgun, we would not be here.”
    I've read a ton of coverage on Castile's killing, and this is the first I've read of him actually gripping, or even touching, his gun. In Reynolds' video Yanez says he told him not to "reach" for it, yet his attorney says he had a "continuous" grip on it. Can't reach for something you're already gripping. Sounds like the attorney is counting on the jury being as devoid of logic and reason as he himself is. Unfortunately, he may be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    I've read a ton of coverage on Castile's killing, and this is the first I've read of him actually gripping his gun. In Reynolds' video Yanez says he told him not to "reach" for it, yet his attorney says he had a "continuous" grip on it. Can't reach for something you're already gripping. Sounds like the attorney is counting on the jury to be as devoid of logic and reason as he himself is. Unfortunately, he may be right.

    Blues
    Both of the quotes I mentioned show that the defense came well prepared with a story to tell for the jury that is contradicted by facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    Both of the quotes I mentioned show that the defense came well prepared with a story to tell for the jury that is contradicted by facts.
    The question is whether the prosecution values Castile's life sufficiently more than Yanez's career to point that out.

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