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    Castile did not "in fact" match the description of the robbery suspect. There are surveillance photos from the robbery that do not comport at all with the cops', or cop-supporters', assertion that Castile matched the description of the robber, except for only one similarity - they were both black. Photos and comparative analysis (by me) can be found here.

    It's not even clear still that a taillight was out on the car Castile was driving. The whole stop and shooting was wrong on every level. He was profiled and murdered, and the murderer can now go find a job in another LE agency thanks to an intentionally weak prosecution or an incompetent prosecutor.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Castile did not "in fact" match the description of the robbery suspect. There are surveillance photos from the robbery that do not comport at all with the cops', or cop-supporters', assertion that Castile matched the description of the robber, except for only one similarity - they were both black. Photos and comparative analysis (by me) can be found here.

    It's not even clear still that a taillight was out on the car Castile was driving. The whole stop and shooting was wrong on every level. He was profiled and murdered, and the murderer can now go find a job in another LE agency thanks to an intentionally weak prosecution or an incompetent prosecutor.

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  4. I have given a few here grief over bagging on the NRA but if they don't come out with a statement, and fast, on the murder of a legal CC citizen in the case of Castile then they can expect my membership to lapse. This is supposed to be their moment, regardless of the phony verdict, and they are shrinking violets. Crickets. Something is wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niceshootintex View Post
    I have given a few here grief over bagging on the NRA but if they don't come out with a statement, and fast, on the murder of a legal CC citizen in the case of Castile then they can expect my membership to lapse. This is supposed to be their moment, regardless of the phony verdict, and they are shrinking violets. Crickets. Something is wrong here.
    Something has been wrong with the NRA since their inception. That's not me saying it, it's a former VP of the NRA. If you scroll down to the first through third pictures in that post, and read the text directly preceding and in-between them, you will see the irrefutable evidence of same.

    Absolutely nothing confrontational, sarcastic or critical in any way is intended by this post. It's simply information intended to help you understand the true nature of the .org that you are figuring out aren't what they claim to be on your own.

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Something has been wrong with the NRA since their inception. That's not me saying it, it's a former VP of the NRA. If you scroll down to the first through third pictures in that post, and read the text directly preceding and in-between them, you will see the irrefutable evidence of same.

    Absolutely nothing confrontational, sarcastic or critical in any way is intended by this post. It's simply information intended to help you understand the true nature of the .org that you are figuring out aren't what they claim to be on your own.

    Blues
    At one point in the post you talk about how much it matters what they did 40 years ago in concert with what they are doing today.

    I have been a member for 20+ years but haven't really looked back beyond the AWB which is why I joined in the first place. I need to know more and intend to.

    At this point in time, I care tremendously about this particular murder of a CC citizen because it hits very close to home. I am far less inclined to ratchet down my LEO support because I have friends and relatives that are good cops that do real policing.

    This cop was either really poorly trained, led, or mentored. It starts with the Sheriff and CoP level and the good ones will ignore the political landscape and Constitutionally deaf, dumb, and blind state AG's. They respect their citizens and their rights.

    The NRA is completely derelict in their duties if there is any semblance of 2A conscience in their leadership. I watch that shooting video and am disgusted. I intend to speak with my wallet if they don't prove to their membership NOW that this was an execution of a legal CC and that they too are as pissed as I am. And DOING something about it.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by niceshootintex View Post
    At one point in the post you talk about how much it matters what they did 40 years ago in concert with what they are doing today.

    I have been a member for 20+ years but haven't really looked back beyond the AWB which is why I joined in the first place. I need to know more and intend to.

    At this point in time, I care tremendously about this particular murder of a CC citizen because it hits very close to home. I am far less inclined to ratchet down my LEO support because I have friends and relatives that are good cops that do real policing.

    This cop was either really poorly trained, led, or mentored. It starts with the Sheriff and CoP level and the good ones will ignore the political landscape and Constitutionally deaf, dumb, and blind state AG's. They respect their citizens and their rights.

    The NRA is completely derelict in their duties if there is any semblance of 2A conscience in their leadership. I watch that shooting video and am disgusted. I intend to speak with my wallet if they don't prove to their membership NOW that this was an execution of a legal CC and that they too are as pissed as I am. And DOING something about it.

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    You had me until you characterized the tragic killing of Castile as an "execution". Casual definitions create hysteric rhetoric.

    I watched the video repeatedly and what I saw was a poorly trained officer in "bare and unreasonable fear" for his life which caused him to fire when he should NOT have fired. Bare and unreasonable fear is NOT a justification for the use of deadly force. Justification only comes with reasonable fear that you are in "immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm", not merely being scared shitless which is what Yanez appeared to be. Castile's death was a tragic incident of negligent homicide caused by a decent man, but an incompetent officer who was unreasonably afraid. The pleading in Yanez's voice was not one of malice, but one of bare fear. He was not in control of his fear or his trigger finger, but that was incompetence not malice.

    To call this an "execution" you have to attach malicious intent and I don't see malicious intent. I see, again, bare and unreasonable fear of a man who was not in control of the situation and a man was tragically killed. I can't make the connection that Yanez got out of bed, put on his uniform, and thought "I'm gonna smoke me a black guy today", or more to the point when he pulled over Castile "I'm gonna smoke THIS black guy today" and coldly and cooly kills him.

    When I watched the video, the most telling part of it was the second officer on the passenger side. When Yanez told Castile not to reach for his gun, the second officer who was at a presumptive position of visual advantage (and would/should have seen a gun as it was supposed/alleged to be on Castile's right side) looked at Yanez like "WTF? I don't see a gun!" and he didn't react by drawing his gun to cover/defend a brother officer from a lethal threat. The second officer bunny hopped out of the line of fire with a shocked look on his face, and I believe this is because the threat HE perceived was from the rounds issuing from Yanez's weapon, not from a threat from Castile.

    If you look at the time elapsing, I don't believe there was enough time for the second officer to reset his OODA loop from "WTF?" to "DON'T SHOOT!" and he was just trying to de-ass the line of fire to keep himself from catching incoming rounds.

    I want to see an entire transcript of the second officer's testimony and not the parsed and edited bits in the paper, so if anyone finds it, please link it here. If the second officer testified that HE saw a gun, or saw Castile reaching for one...then I want to know why HE didn't take defensive action and also give orders for Castile to stop??????
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Frisco85132 View Post
    You had me until you characterized the tragic killing of Castile as an "execution". Casual definitions create hysteric rhetoric.

    I watched the video repeatedly and what I saw was a poorly trained officer in "bare and unreasonable fear" for his life which caused him to fire when he should NOT have fired. Bare and unreasonable fear is NOT a justification for the use of deadly force. Justification only comes with reasonable fear that you are in "immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm", not merely being scared shitless which is what Yanez appeared to be. Castile's death was a tragic incident of negligent homicide caused by a decent man, but an incompetent officer who was unreasonably afraid. The pleading in Yanez's voice was not one of malice, but one of bare fear. He was not in control of his fear or his trigger finger, but that was incompetence not malice.

    To call this an "execution" you have to attach malicious intent and I don't see malicious intent. I see, again, bare and unreasonable fear of a man who was not in control of the situation and a man was tragically killed. I can't make the connection that Yanez got out of bed, put on his uniform, and thought "I'm gonna smoke me a black guy today", or more to the point when he pulled over Castile "I'm gonna smoke THIS black guy today" and coldly and cooly kills him.

    When I watched the video, the most telling part of it was the second officer on the passenger side. When Yanez told Castile not to reach for his gun, the second officer who was at a presumptive position of visual advantage (and would/should have seen a gun as it was supposed/alleged to be on Castile's right side) looked at Yanez like "WTF? I don't see a gun!" and he didn't react by drawing his gun to cover/defend a brother officer from a lethal threat. The second officer bunny hopped out of the line of fire with a shocked look on his face, and I believe this is because the threat HE perceived was from the rounds issuing from Yanez's weapon, not from a threat from Castile.

    If you look at the time elapsing, I don't believe there was enough time for the second officer to reset his OODA loop from "WTF?" to "DON'T SHOOT!" and he was just trying to de-ass the line of fire to keep himself from catching incoming rounds.

    I want to see an entire transcript of the second officer's testimony and not the parsed and edited bits in the paper, so if anyone finds it, please link it here. If the second officer testified that HE saw a gun, or saw Castile reaching for one...then I want to know why HE didn't take defensive action and also give orders for Castile to stop??????
    I have seen the dash cam footage and the GF video and as one of the biggest defenders of LEOs for many reasons, I think that if this were you or I in Castile shoes, that our families would be calling it as such.

    What I learned just reinforced what I already knew. Comply, keep your hands up always, keep your paperwork close by in case you are stopped, and don't volunteer your CC status unless you are mandated to do so. As I said, this training deficient cop seemed to be out of alternatives other than gunning down a motorist so quickly that my LEO relatives just looked at it and shook their heads.

    Don't be offended Frisco. I am a LEO backer but this one had me shaking my head about bad outcomes with LEOs if even the slightest mistake is made. I know it's a thin margin but should never be that thin based on the video I saw.

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    Comply or die, it's pretty simple. Some people left their home countries and immigrated to the US to escape exactly such blatant violation of civil rights. "Officer safety" uber alles, I guess.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by niceshootintex View Post
    I have seen the dash cam footage and the GF video and as one of the biggest defenders of LEOs for many reasons, I think that if this were you or I in Castile shoes, that our families would be calling it as such.

    What I learned just reinforced what I already knew. Comply, keep your hands up always, keep your paperwork close by in case you are stopped, and don't volunteer your CC status unless you are mandated to do so. As I said, this training deficient cop seemed to be out of alternatives other than gunning down a motorist so quickly that my LEO relatives just looked at it and shook their heads.

    Don't be offended Frisco. I am a LEO backer but this one had me shaking my head about bad outcomes with LEOs if even the slightest mistake is made. I know it's a thin margin but should never be that thin based on the video I saw.

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    I'm not offended at all. I am only in disagreement on the "execution" definition of the incident. An execution is a planned and coldly committed murder. That's not what we have here. We have gross incompetence, bare and unreasonable fear, and a (probably) otherwise decent man who should have been in control of both himself AND the contact and wasn't. I can't defend Yanez's actions, I wouldn't even try. He effed up big time, and Castile paid with his life. Tragedy and tragic loss of life due to gross incompetence don't even begin to adequately describe Castile's death, but neither does "execution" accurately describe it.

    "I was getting nervous" - Yanez. Okay, fair enough. Being "nervous" is not justification for the use of lethal force.

    "He was holding his hand like this (makes a C with his hand) much bigger than reaching for a wallet" - Yanez. Okay, duly noted...maybe he had a fat wallet. A C shaped hand is likewise NOT justification for lethal force.

    Add the fact that Castile made a pretty damned good notification that he was armed and that he had a permit...there was no reason for Yanez to ramp up his stress level other than he was scared and out of control.

    In fact, Castile made close to a textbook notification that he was carrying in a calm, reasonable, non threatening voice/manner that even a rookie would understand was a simple notification of fact "Sir, I have to tell you I have a firearm on me". There was no reason, at that time, to ramp up as fast as Yanez did. I know. I have been in that spot more times than I could possibly count. I have seen week-one rookies, fresh out of the academy handle themselves better in a traffic stop with a verified gun present than Yanez did.

    I didn't see ANY exigencies in the contact that would justify the action Yanez took, or his loss of control, or bare fear. I also didn't see an execution.
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    Executed or unreasonably and incompetently killed, Castile is dead and Yanez can go on about his life without any legal consequences whatsoever. He could even be employed as an LEO again if there's any sheriffs or CoPs out there incompetent enough to hire him, which I'm positive there are if he looks around hard enough. 'Course, Yanez may take himself out of the LEO game now that he's had the ever-lovin' crap scared out of him for no justifiable reason. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him seek and land LEO employment again though, because many people who are given unlimited and unaccountable power over others can never go back to being just run-of-the-mill citizens. Both being accountable and/or sharing with his fellow citizens run-of-the-mill status is already proven beyond question that Yanez cannot and will not impose upon himself.

    Irrespective of others' willingness to engage in semantic arguments over Yanez's intentions at the time of the shooting, this lone fact remains as unrefuted and irrefutable; This is the face of a killer:

    Officer Jeronimo Yanez will be charged for shooting Philando Castile-yanez-1.jpg

    All who encounter him in the future should beware of that fact, whether he's costumed-up or not.

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