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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Itstjs View Post
    I think those are WORST case scenarios. Michigan cops are growing somewhat aware of the rights of OC people. I carry openly once in a while, actually was just at Meijers. I got a few odd looks, but aside from that, was pretty much ignored. Then again, Im pretty well groomed, [grooming is a major deterrent to getting any negative feed back from police or civilians] wasnt harassed once, nor were the police called for a MWAG
    Either way, be careful.
    It wasn't a few "worst-case scenarios" that caused Congress to pass a FEDERAL LAW excluding evidence found during illegal searches.
    Before that, the best you could do was SUE under the 4th Amendment.... and it didn't do much to deter cops from ransacking innocent people and their homes, just like British soldiers executing the "Writs of Assistance" on American colonists; and if they found something then the cops became heroes, but if they didn't then usually the victims had little recourse that would deter cops from doing so again in the future.

    I also don't have much faith in the notion of "Michigan cops are growing somewhat aware" of what are are our LEGAL RIGHTS!
    In contrast, CPL isn't even a right, it's a PRIVILEGE; so if cops harass OC people rather than CPL's, they're simply taking advantage of OC's being more visible.

    As for "grooming," yeah gotta make sure the Amerikan Geshtapo doesn't think you're a long-haired Jew or Gypsy etc.-- and god help you if you're considered "mentally defective!" Gotta look "clean-cut," and wealthy so that they'll figure you're well-connected and have access to legal representation-- the one thing that cops wont' mess with.

    You're darn right you better "be careful."-- like the Cold War song went: "don't turn around, the KGB's in town!"

    What, you thought this was America? I just heard Mayor Bloomberg shooting his mouth off about how mayors have a right to ban guns from being carried in cities.

  3. #32
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    W.D.Murray I hate to say it, but your information is incorrect, its any place thats main profit comes from liquor served by the glass, bars and taverns are off limits, but places like walmart or applebees is not off limits to CC or OC. As it states on the back of your CPL "...bar or tavern where the primary source of income is sale of liquor by the glass..."
    Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier....One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

  4. #33
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    RE: "clean-cut," and wealthy so that they'll figure you're well-connected and have access to legal representation ...". this is quite accurate!

  5. #34
    Since this thread has been revived, let me chime in with my two cents. In the People's Republic of South Carolina, you can have your licence suspended for being late on an auto insurance policy payment or for a variety of paperwork violations of the motor vehicle code. It seems that the motor vehicle code is designed so that the state can nail you with a $400 licence reinstatement fee even for something as mundane as failure to pay your vehicle property tax, tag renewal fee, or auto insurance policy by the correct due date. Notice that the $400 fee is not a fine, a judge does not have to sentence you to anything, there is no due process. The Highway Robery Department does not need to hold a hearing for a licence suspension. Also note they the Highway Robery Department does not have to tell you they suspended your licence. You can be pulled over for a burned out tail light, unbeknownst to you the Highway Robery Department suspended your licence last week, the cop runs your licence, OOPS you are going to jail for the night.

    And in Michigan they rely on the Highway Department or DMV for info on concealed carry permit applications?!? That's a big Bravo-Sierra!

  6. law says you cannot carry either way if a bar serves liquer by the glass .I believe applebees and wallmar are ok to carry and break no laws.

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltcreek View Post
    I have a CPL. Of course I know nothing about you. That being said, and playing Devil's advocate - If you could not be responsible enough to keep your drivers license by obeying the law, why should we believe you would obey the law to keep from loosing your CPL?

    This thought is the first thing that came to my mind as well. My second thought was, you sound like a young man who is still awfully angry and I'm only guessing ... but would be much more apt to draw and shoot when maybe you shouldn't have.

    Please read the book "In the Gravest Extreames" by Mr. Massod Ayoob.

    I understand the emotions you are dealing with. Your lucky, all you lost was a little money and a brusied ego.

    I've been there, done that and got the scars to prove it. In my case, they walked away with a cool $35 and left me with 5 broken ribs, both eyes swelled shut and a slash in my gut requiring 24 stiched to close.

    If your going to carry, for your own safty, learn how & when to properly use your newly aquired self defense tool.

    Proverbs 25:28 - A man without self control is like a city broken into and left without walls.

  8. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by unas2k5 View Post
    My license was suspended due to having too many points. I think it was 5 and it was suspended for a month.
    Based on my reading of the CPL law, if that was why your drivers' license was suspended, then it can't keep you from getting your CPL.
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  9. ricbac has it right. In michigan the only type of carry in pistol free zones such as a church,school,bank,bar,etc....is open carry. You can not conceal carry in these zones. When you open carry in these zones you must have a valid CPL License in your possession.

  10. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by kcim1979 View Post
    ricbac has it right. In michigan the only type of carry in pistol free zones such as a church,school,bank,bar,etc....is open carry. You can not conceal carry in these zones. When you open carry in these zones you must have a valid CPL License in your possession.

    And the award for creating a zombie thread by posting their first post on an old thread goes to, kcim1979. Please come up on stage and give a brief acceptance speech and pick up your CCW Badge from the table next to the podium.

  11. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by lechwe View Post
    BillyBob, There is not one documented case of something like that ever having happened. Please site it if you have it.

    Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint

    By Melanie Stout

    MILWAUKEE - A Milwaukee man found out the hard way that carrying a gun for protection doesn't always keep you safe. In fact, it may have made him a target.

    The 34-year-old man legally owned a handgun and carried it out in the open in his holster for protection.

    Neighbors say they knew he was always armed.

    "It was kind of scary to just see him walking around all the time with that gun kind of just out in the open," said Shambria Mayham Autman. She lives near Teutonia and Good Hope and said they called him "The guy with the gun."

    But it wasn't scary for at least one person who robbed "The guy with the gun" at gunpoint.

    "I think he was trying to scare people off like, 'Yeah, don't mess with me,' kind of attitude, but it didn't work," Mayham Autman explained.

    The president of Wisconsin Carry, Nik Clark, says 100's of thousands of people open carry and he's never heard of anything like this.

    "So it really is a very unusual situation, very unique," Clark said.

    The victim didn't want to go on camera but said he carried the gun because he had been jumped and held up at knife point in the past. He believes, in his case, open carry made him a target and he will no longer do it.

    He said his case proves gun owners should have the right to carry concealed weapons.

    Clark agrees. "By and large it is a significant deterrent, open carry is, but I think it really does make the point that Wisconsin should have concealed carry along with open carry so that people who live in a very high crime neighborhood where criminals aren't deterred by firearms would have the ability to conceal carry to protect themselves. The two really work hand in hand," Clark said.


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