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  1. Guns are only good for killing things. Once it is dead you need a knife to skin it and disembowell it to throw it in a pan!

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    Knife; an excellent addition to your CCW arsenal, also baton

    Does it make sense to carry a knife if you carry a gun, eventhough I have no training with a knife and not any real use for one everyday?[/QUOTE]

    Yes, Jeff, it makes excellent sense. A firearm is a "distance weapon" - it is best used when the shooter is beyond arm's reach, and the way to make it ineffective is to close the distance and knock it aside. A knife is a "close weapon" and the way to make it ineffective is get out of range. Negate a distance weapon by closing in, negate a close weapon by moving away.

    Actually, this forum is for discussion of "less lethal weapons", but, when used effectively and within it's range, a knife is MORE lethal than a firearm. A knife can do a LOT more tissue damage, and can create a LOT more, and faster, blood loss, resulting in death much quicker than a gunshot to any body part that is not instantly fatal. And for a "fight in a phonebooth" close-quarters battle, a knife is WAY more dangerous than a gun.

    I always carry a knife, and usually 2-3 of them. In CCW, I usually carry a CRKT CK Dragon, or a Cold Steel Roach Belly (fixed blade belt knives). I'd actually rather carry a Cold Steel Trailmaster or similar (big-ass bowie), but they are difficult to conceal and still access quickly. I almost always have a folder or 2 on me, also, but they are my daily "user" knives, not for combat. I modified the belt knife sheaths so that I carry them "reverse draw" (blade forward on my right side, like carrying a left-hand sheath on the right). That way, I can draw in one motion, with the blade coming out the bottom of my fist, and can immediately both strike with my fist and also slash with the knife, as part of the drawing motion. I can stab with the point as I withdraw my fist. For VERY close quarters, speed is essential, and this is the fastest method.

    Just FYI, because of the legal implications, a possible better close-up weapon might be a telescoping steel baton, like an ASP. It's lethal when used on the neck or head (and courts will hold that you intended to kill if you strike for the head or neck), but breaks an attack and disables the attacker when striking elsewhere. It's easy to knock away weapons and break bones when up close with a baton, and you can do a lot of damage to an attacker without killing him. You can also use the baton in Hanbo (cane) strikes and to aid in joint-locks. When not extended, the baton can be used as a Kubotan or Yawara stick, also. Plus, most cops will pat you on the back for carrying a baton instead of a knife. And, slamming one out and getting in "ready" position (held vertically, guarding your collarbone, on your dominant side), serves as a clear deterrent and threat, to end fights before they begin, whereas you'll get arrested if you brandish a gun that way. The only downside to a baton is that a 26-incher (which I recommend) is heavy, long, and hard to find a way to carry that is both concealable and fast to draw. Don't cheap out and buy the cheap ones though, except for practice and training - they bend and break. Cough up the cash and buy an ASP. Hang a rug over a clothesline and practice striking on it. There are plenty of YouTube videos on basic baton training.

  4. #13
    I carry a knife (switch blade) my second line of defense. My question is this: I recently found out that here in Fla even with the CCW permit if you are caught with a knife in Miami you will go to jail, now you can carry a gun but not a knife, doesn't make since to me. Trying to find out what counties in Fla have the same type of law. Might be something others would want to check out for their states??

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    Being that the original poster is from NY, throw all that stuff about batons and switchblades out the window. (Sound advice though it may be.) Be sure to be familiar with articles 35 and 265 of the NYS Penal Law if you choose to carry alternate weapons. These sections illustrate what you can and can't carry, and when you can and can't use them. Basically you're limited to short, folding knives that don't look like they were designed for combat. Pay particular attention to:
    S 265.01 Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree.
    A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth
    degree when:
    (1) He possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic stun
    gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal
    knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles,
    chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type slingshot or
    slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or
    (2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto,
    imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon
    with intent to use the same unlawfully against another;

    That's a lot of crap to know the definitions of. But they're all outlined in the penal law, and if you want to protect yourself responsibly, you have to at the very least give a passing glance to this stuff.

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    For a close, clean and comfortable shave.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    Have carried a knife most of my life, when I was younger it was not uncommon to see rifle or shotgun in pickup at school. Times have changed.
    Yeah really, we had rifle club in our high school In PA. And quess what, no one shot anyone.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

  8. Yes, carry a knife and whatever else you can. Best to not rely on on self defense device. I carry a spyderco folder (best gift from my wife) in my pocket and a leatherman multi-tool and fixed blade in my backpack.

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    Have carried a knife longer than have carried a gun, not much longer but a little, auto folder never leave home without it or the gun.

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    I always have at least one knife on me except when flying. The only other time I might be without one is when going somewhere with a metal detector. I tend to avoid those places anyway. I've never thought carrying less lethal means was worth the hassle. The OP states that it might look good if you have to shoot someone. My viewpoint is better to avoid the second guessing of why didn't you use something less lethal, you had it with you. The less lethal thing is a matter of personal choice just like the make, caliber, and carry style of your EDC.

    YMOS,
    Tony
    "Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready."
    Teddy Roosevelt May 13, 1903

  11. #20
    A rock and a stick are better than nothing. I can at least put a flashlight a pen and a pocket knife into that same context.

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