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  1. #11

    Thanks for the input

    Thanks, really. It is a shame that we are reduced to speculating, guessing, assuming and so on as to their rationale. What completely floors me is the building history of tragedies and their continuing silence in the face of questions.

    Judging from this silence, it seems apparent that there is actually no basis for believing that this in any way inhibits violence of any kind. No statistics are offered. No actuarial numbers seem to be able to be produced. Neither do I buy that it has anything to do with liability. Simply, Simon is not that much smarter than all the businesses which have not posted. (Reference other threads on this subject.)

    I debated about putting this on the site, but decided to do so because now it can be searched and at least one time/date stamp is available for reference in the wake of their next event. Their silence will speak for itself.

    You might also take a look at the other thread relating to why businesses are posted and note the unanswered questions there regarding insurance, bonding and such.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

  3. #12
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Quote Originally Posted by F1Frankie View Post
    I'm guessing that the way this would have to go as far as for those of us that strongly believe in our rights as citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons would be along the lines of 'don't ask, don't tell.' Unless the sign on the door specifically prohibits carry, I would think it might be permissible to carry. Then again, I wouldn't count on any support from Simon in the unfortunate event of a shooting.

    What a shame, no?
    That's my policy, and honestly, I don't think that Simon could take any legal action based on their "no carry" policies, except for kicking you out of the store. Just be careful (as always).

  4. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Cherry Tree, Indiana County

    Simon sez? Not in Pennsylvania!

    Simon Properties owns approximately five malls in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Are they posted? I have no idea, but if so, it doesn't mean a thing. Here in the Commonwealth the signs have no legal standing and may be construed as advisory only.

    So, for what it's worth, licensed concealed carry, or open carry with or without a license (except if Philadelphia), is okay in Simon Properties malls, unless they find out and ask you to leave. If, however, they try to get you arrested you'll be collecting a good chunk of change from them.

  5. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    There's only a few opportunities during a mall trip for someone else to notice that you're carrying - in the restroom, in the changing room, and maybe if you have an unfortunate "holster malfunction". Be aware of when there might be an issue, and try to limit your risk as much as possible. Make the holster "invisible" with something else while it would otherwise be exposed or use a holster that is made in such a way that it tends to be more resilient during such situations.

    For example, an IWB might be visible to people in other stalls. However, if you have a Smartcarry, it's much easier to keep that up while allowing your shirt to overlap it. A holster that mounts somewhere on your abdomen would only be visible while changing shirts.

  6. #15
    Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.] For there is no [Constitution] but of God: the [Constitution] that be [is] ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the [Constitution], resisteth the ordinance of God:American Romans Ch.13v1-7 C.Baldwin

  7. #16
    Letters to Simon is good but why not follow up with a letter to the Stores in the mall's stating that for the same reason , you feel it not safe to shop their stores and will be shopping at target, Walmart and K-Mart Sears. for all you Christmas needs . and see if that has an effect.

    Just my .02 worth

  8. Quote Originally Posted by TnRebel View Post
    Letters to Simon is good but why not follow up with a letter to the Stores in the mall's stating that for the same reason , you feel it not safe to shop their stores and will be shopping at target, Walmart and K-Mart Sears. for all you Christmas needs . and see if that has an effect.

    Just my .02 worth
    Its legal to boycott an establishment- it is illegal to boycott others for the simple fact of doing business with the original boycotee its in the "anti trust law"
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  9. #18
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Rolling hills of S. IN
    If you are boycotting establishments that are under direct control of a company (ie Simon) and it is their policy that dictates the source of the boycott, then that doesn't fall under the preview of `anti-trust'. It is a similar tactic used to boycott advertisers of objectionable programing to get networks to respond.

    It is questionable that individual boycotts of any kind are actionable under anti-trust laws. It has historically been used against companies or organizations that show an `unfair advantage' in the market place. That is my two cents on the matter.
    Armed you are a citizen, unarmed a subject.
    An armed society is a polite society.
    Fear the government who fears you guns.

  10. #19
    Simon Properties and others who think like them are operating on the herd mentality. That is, like a herd of gazelles on the African plain they believe there is safety in numbers from the lions and that the odds are in their favor. If a few of the herd get culled every day life goes on for the rest and they all breathe a sigh of relief. It's a numbers game that our government and corporate officials are willing to play and we're the numbers. Once you've had the tragedy of criminal homicide strike close to home, as I have, it's a game changer and suddenly one of the fallen has a name.

  11. #20
    Exactly right shooter!!!!!
    molon labe

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