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    Exclamation Try this sometime for CQB with a scoped weapon

    OK so you mounted a scope on your evil black rifle.
    You can still use it for CQB regardless of scope power.
    Here is what you need to do...
    Sight up as if you were using the scope but leave both eyes open.
    You will see the CQB target area with your non scope eye.
    You will see the scope reticle with your scope eye.
    Your brain will automatically superimpose the cross hairs over the CQB target.

    OK here is the drawback...your point of aim is not going to be sub MOA accurate but in CQB it does not need to be. With a little practice you can use this technique to snap shoot a target in a CQB environment. Lets face it any sighting system is better than no sighting system.

    Practice this often but for only short periods of time so you do not develop eye strain. It works. It is effective. It is very seldom taught in tactical training schools.
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    Just put a Doctor or J-Point on top of your variable. It's much easier.

    Most, including myself, have mounted various micro dot units on the rail system with a 45 degree angle. Kant the rifle slightly and your looking through a free parallax optic without the strain on your eyes.

    ETA: I'd have to be using an optic with an illuminated reticle otherwise I'm looking into black if there is no light or low light and the room is not recieving a bit of natural light or artificial light. Your technique works, if you've got an illuminated reticle, if that makes any sense ?

    I like the AP T-1 Micro or the Doctor mounted on top of the ACOG or the varable power optic.

    Besides, your going to wind up punching Haji in the face anyway. They alway's comply once 12 guy's are in the room and the first clown that drew a weapon got 5 rounds to his face.
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    Using a tack driver in a CQB situation is NEVER a good idea,
    Defaulting to pistol might be a better idea than taking a long barrel bolt action tack driver to a street fight or building clearing!

    Personally, I use full length removable mounts so I can change optics quickly and retain zero for the situation at hand.

    Snapping off long range optics and going to default iron sights is another good way to keep your CQB capabilities, snap off the magnified optics...
    Field rifles of ANY KIND should never be without iron back up/CQB sights!
    You never know when optics will fail, and iron sights NEVER fail!

    VERY short range 'Entry' weapons should have 'SEE THROUGH' sights, were you can see the iron sights through your optics.
    Zero (1X power) magnification are best since you can keep BOTH eyes open easily and increase your peripheral vision,
    Always good to know whats moving to your sides!

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    does the military still teach 25 meter quick kill where you keep both eyes open and use your weapon like pointing you finger at the target without using the sites at all? they tought this method when i went in and it worked quite well, also known as snap shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
    Using a tack driver in a CQB situation is NEVER a good idea,
    Defaulting to pistol might be a better idea than taking a long barrel bolt action tack driver to a street fight or building clearing!What do you consider a "Tac Driver?"

    Personally, I use full length removable mounts so I can change optics quickly and retain zero for the situation at hand.Again, if your using a magnified optic you'll most likely have a Doctor or J-Point mounted somewhere for CCO work.

    Snapping off long range optics and going to default iron sights is another good way to keep your CQB capabilities, snap off the magnified optics...Why "snap" off your optics ? If you've got both variable, fixed and a CCO optic available in one system ?
    Field rifles of ANY KIND should never be without iron back up/CQB sights!No kidding, a good shooter will also co-witness his BUIS's with his red dot or Hollowgraphic.
    You never know when optics will fail, and iron sights NEVER fail!Yep, batteries run out and iron sights are used.

    VERY short range 'Entry' weapons should have 'SEE THROUGH' sights, were you can see the iron sights through your optics."See through optics ? You mean 100% free parallax as in an AP red dot or Eotech.
    Zero (1X power) magnification are best since you can keep BOTH eyes open easily and increase your peripheral vision,No kidding, your not the first to use CCO non-magnified optics.
    Always good to know whats moving to your sides!Ya think so ?

    You'd think none of us here have ever served in the military, huh ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ropadope View Post
    You'd think none of us here have ever served in the military, huh ?
    exactly!!!

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    What you are talking about is the BAC Bindon Aiming Concept? Trijicon came up with this some time ago. It works much better with an illuminated reticle than cross hairs. It has the potential to throw your aim off quite a bit in certain shooting situations, or so I've been told.

  9. I've tried this method and cannot get the two images to superimpose. I'd much rather try to shoot out to non-CQB distances with iron sights than I would try to shoot CQB distances through a scope. Hence, none of my "battle" rifles have scopes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldvet53 View Post
    does the military still teach 25 meter quick kill where you keep both eyes open and use your weapon like pointing you finger at the target without using the sites at all? they tought this method when i went in and it worked quite well, also known as snap shooting.
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    see section 7-11. Quick Fire...because all battieries eventually die...

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    "Snap Shooting"...instinctive shooting without (consciously) using sights...has worked for me on many occasions, even to the point of surprising the hell out of me when I hit! As for "driving tacks", I feel that a CQB long arm along the lines of an AR or AK is better served with iron sights. Reaching out to longer ranges - if you feel you need to - doesn't require a MOA heart shot, but will be perfectly satisfactory for general purposes with a more-or-less COM shot. I figure that'd be good out to 500/600 yards for any anticipated social work.

    'Course, I could be wrong....
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