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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Ropadope View Post
    I'd rather just dia inl on my scope and squeeze the triggera few times.

    I'lll know If I'm on target or not.
    Good way to waste ammo and not figure out what the issues are.

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  3. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
    Good way to waste ammo and not figure out what the issues are.
    With red dot and hollowgrapics you have no other choice than to shoot at paper, off sandbags, rest etc.

    Negate the use of the iron sights and dial in the red dot/hollowgraphic to it's most true zero of POA/POI impact.

    Trigger squeeze is easy, not pull.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

  4. #13
    wolfhunter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Ropadope View Post
    I'd rather just dia inl on my scope and squeeze the triggera few times.

    I'lll know If I'm on target or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by AR Hammer View Post
    Good way to waste ammo and not figure out what the issues are.
    Now we know why the shot-to-kill rate has been so high. Apparently the Army is still teaching "Spray N Pray" instead of Marksmanship.

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Now we know why the shot-to-kill rate has been so high. Apparently the Army is still teaching "Spray N Pray" instead of Marksmanship.
    There is no such thing as the spray and pray method, unless your into recripcating what you've seen in the movies. Maybe in the day's of the VN war, but lessons learned with the carbine have negated any use of full auto unless your the only one left to break contact and your SAW and 240 are down. Rare, but not impossible.

    My comment was meant to be sarcastic, not taken literally. Sometimes these posts border on over complicating on what is essentially simple. See ARHAMMER in just about every post.

    Any exercise that forces that shooter to squeeze, ignite and place bullets in tight groups is necessary for ones overall improvement in shot placement. No surprise there. If this particular exercise aids one in his or her shooting prowess, then by all means use it.

    If you don't know what the Army is teaching, then please don't comment unless you've trained, trained with or been to a higher markmenship training cycle with the branch.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

  6. #15
    wolfhunter Guest
    Ropeadope, I live right outside Camp Rudder. I see "soldiers" with "marksmanship" badges regularly. When a soldier gets qualifying points for hitting a target with a ROCK, I say they aren't teaching marksmanship.

    Put your troops with open sights on a KD course with targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards. Teach them to shoot and qualify them there, THEN put them on Combat Simulations.

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Ropeadope, I live right outside Camp Rudder. I see "soldiers" with "marksmanship" badges regularly. When a soldier gets qualifying points for hitting a target with a ROCK, I say they aren't teaching marksmanship.

    Put your troops with open sights on a KD course with targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards. Teach them to shoot and qualify them there, THEN put them on Combat Simulations.
    I've spent the majority of my adult life in the U.S. Army. You think Camp James E. Rudder has passed me by somehow ? I don't think so.

    Trust me, what ever you can think of, my Teams, platoons and companies have Been there and done that.

    Your not impressing me by throwing out drills that have been repeated day in and day out for years. IN my case, since 1982.

    Maybe, just maybe I've seen a long range or two? a shoothouse? a MOUT op ? Maybe even a sniper course, SOTIC maybe ?

    I don't care about "Marksmenship" badges, they prove nothing but that the soldier has met a standard, generally speaking in the prone posistion, not on the move, nor in a shoothouse, nor out to 800 meters +

    What you suggested is and has been done, long before this war in both theaters was ever dreamed of.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

  8. #17
    wolfhunter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Ropadope View Post
    I've spent the majority of my adult life in the U.S. Army. You think Camp James E. Rudder has passed me by somehow ? I don't think so.

    Trust me, what ever you can think of, my Teams, platoons and companies have Been there and done that.

    Your not impressing me by throwing out drills that have been repeated day in and day out for years. IN my case, since 1982.

    Maybe, just maybe I've seen a long range or two? a shoothouse? a MOUT op ? Maybe even a sniper course, SOTIC maybe ?

    I don't care about "Marksmenship" badges, they prove nothing but that the soldier has met a standard, generally speaking in the prone posistion, not on the move, nor in a shoothouse, nor out to 800 meters +

    What you suggested is and has been done, long before this war in both theaters was ever dreamed of.
    I'm so proud of you. Thank you for your service. I didn't mention Camp Rudder to impress you, just to let you know I don't live someplace where I'd never meet soldiers.

    Your service and background are not and were not the subject of discussion here. The topic involves techniques for those with lesser rifle skills and experience to learn to shoot better. Your nonchalant I-prefer-to-pull-the-trigger-and-see-what-happens attitude did not contribute to that. Since it also reflects the attitude of many of the soldiers I've met, I thought you were serious and suggested the Army should adopt actual marksmanship training at an earlier stage in training.

  9. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    I'm so proud of you. Thank you for your service. I didn't mention Camp Rudder to impress you, just to let you know I don't live someplace where I'd never meet soldiers.

    Your service and background are not and were not the subject of discussion here. The topic involves techniques for those with lesser rifle skills and experience to learn to shoot better. Your nonchalant I-prefer-to-pull-the-trigger-and-see-what-happens attitude did not contribute to that. Since it also reflects the attitude of many of the soldiers I've met, I thought you were serious and suggested the Army should adopt actual marksmanship training at an earlier stage in training.
    In recent years, yes the marksmenship training at the BCT level has improved. A result of the current wars and lessons learned on the ground. The Army has alway's fell behind in basic marksmenship at the entry level vs what Marine Corps recruits recive at PI. This however is not the case, in my humble opinion, anymore.

    At the end of the day I would rather be training soldiers with live pops than dry fireing. That's just me.


    Thanks for the clarification.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

  10. #19
    wolfhunter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Ropadope View Post
    In recent years, yes the marksmenship training at the BCT level has improved. A result of the current wars and lessons learned on the ground. The Army has alway's fell behind in basic marksmenship at the entry level vs what Marine Corps recruits recive at PI. This however is not the case, in my humble opinion, anymore.

    At the end of the day I would rather be training soldiers with live pops than dry fireing. That's just me.


    Thanks for the clarification.
    We're good then. I loved training with live pops after the basic skills have been learned.
    Some here have the training to make 800 -1000 yard shots or be involved in EITHER side of a house-to-house, others have only attended the requisite course for their CCW. Many fall between these points. It is my opinion that threads like this, and those under the Survival topic are intended to give the less experienced tips on how they can improve.

  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    We're good then. I loved training with live pops after the basic skills have been learned.
    Some here have the training to make 800 -1000 yard shots or be involved in EITHER side of a house-to-house, others have only attended the requisite course for their CCW. Many fall between these points. It is my opinion that threads like this, and those under the Survival topic are intended to give the less experienced tips on how they can improve.
    This is off topic, but I noticed your signature.

    I'm currently reading Ayn Rands "Atlas Shrugged" Long read, but worth it.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

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