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    Well, it's not the cheapest thing but I Love my .30 M1 Carbine!!!

    In a SHTF scenario it is my wife's go-to rifle. I won't hesitate to pick it up though! It's light, accurate, has plenty of capacity w/ my 30rd mags, and within 50 yards it'll hit with enough energy to get the job done!!!! I trust it out to 100yds w/o question as well! 150yds is pushing the effectivness of the round....

    But this is about close quarters use right :)

    Just my .02
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    I have a couple combos.

    First combo is a SUB-2000 9mm that takes Glock 17 Mags and it has been flawless. Nice thing about having the SUB-2000 and the Glock 17 is the magazine compatibility. I grab the carbine and the pistol and several mags and I don't have to worry about what mags I grabbed. They all work in both.

    The second combo is a Ruger SP-101 and a Rossi Model 92 in .357 Magnum.

    I like having PCC and pistols as sets. Gives you more options.

    I used the information on the Ballistics by the inch website to help me choose ammo that would work well in both the pistols and the Carbines. I tested the ammo I carry myself to confirm my choices, those guys did a lot of work on the site and it is a great starting point to help you choose ammo.
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    I have a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine, and it is a (reliable) blast. My son said it is "his" the first time he shot it.

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    I've been thinking about picking up the Hi-Point .45 carbine... I have a 1911 and an M1 Thompson, I think the Hi-Point could find a place. ;)
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    Sorry I am not a fan of pistol caliber carbines. When you have a gun that size you may as well go with a rifle caliber. Handguns are only meant to help you get to your main battle gun. Pistol calibers are at best adequate sometimes. Rifle calibers are much more effective. Heck, you can buy a shotgun that is a better battle gun at the same price. Just my.02

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    Some of the new PPC are pretty cool... the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 folds in half, that is a neat trick for stowage. The magizines are the same as your pistol(if you work it out that way), they are smaller and lighter than AR or AK mags, so they take up less room. That's a plus! I think that if ones needs/situation requires something smaller than an AR/AK type platform, it's great! Everybody will have slightly different needs...

    Of course, PPC aren't going to be 300yd shooters... but, they do provide a 100yd weapon with reasonable accuracy. Much better than lobbing 9mm from a 5" Glock... You won't get much in the way of penetration, at closer distances you'll see some benefits there... within 25yds, vehicle bodies will be penetrated easily. If you look at out of the ordinary PPCs, like a PPS-43... chambered in 7.62x25mm, you have increased penetration over 9mm/45acp at all comparable distances. I know, I know... a PPS-43 is a "sub-machincegun"... not in semi-auto only though.

    I think that all weapons have their respective places... however, not everyone will have those "places" for weapons.
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    gunnerbob touched on a good point.

    While pistol caliber carbines aren't optimal they do have a place and they can do a lot to simplify your supply chain if youíre on a tight budget.

    Iím not a GLOCK owner so I donít know model numbers but if I recall GLOCK makes a sub compact pistol and a full size pistol for which the full sized magazines are interchangeable and will fit in a pistol caliber carbine. You can purchase all three and have three guns for which you only need to buy 1 type of magazine and one type and caliber of round.

    If CZ ever comes out with a pistol caliber carbine in .40 S&W that takes 75B magazines Iíll be on it like Jillian Michaels on a fat chick.
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    I’m not a GLOCK owner so I don’t know model numbers but if I recall GLOCK makes a sub compact pistol and a full size pistol for which the full sized magazines are interchangeable and will fit in a pistol caliber carbine. You can purchase all three and have three guns for which you only need to buy 1 type of magazine and one type and caliber of round.
    Yes. In most cases, (exception is the G36, which will not accept other .45ACP Glock model magazines), the smallest Glock of any caliber will take the magazine of the largest. Also, there are models of the Kel-Tec Sub2000 (to get back on thread-track) that take Glock magazines.

    I also believe the PCC has a definite role. I have a CX4 as my 'block gun', and did formerly own a Sub2000. There are places for those or the US-legal submachinegun variants such as the Vector Uzi in the counter-offensive scheme of things, no doubt about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CR Williams View Post
    Yes. In most cases, (exception is the G36, which will not accept other .45ACP Glock model magazines), the smallest Glock of any caliber will take the magazine of the largest. Also, there are models of the Kel-Tec Sub2000 (to get back on thread-track) that take Glock magazines.

    I also believe the PCC has a definite role. I have a CX4 as my 'block gun', and did formerly own a Sub2000. There are places for those or the US-legal submachinegun variants such as the Vector Uzi in the counter-offensive scheme of things, no doubt about that.
    I've looked at the CX4, shot a buddies once and liked it... what's your opinion of yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    I've been told that when shooting a .38 spl. from a carbine (.357/ .38 spl. lever rifle) that the .38 would actually lose velocity due to the (20 in.) long barrel. Can anyone confirm this? If true wouldn't that make that make the .38 spl. worthless for defense purposes fired from the rife?
    Fired from a revolver, the .38 would lose velocity due to the barrel/cylinder gap. Fired from a carbine, I would expect that you may see at least factory velocities, and maybe a small gain in bullet speed.

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