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    Quote Originally Posted by abock33 View Post
    I agree they should be too. They're the same price as GI anyway. KimberPB do you have to change the mag well or do you just have different mags?
    For the .22 lr, 9mm, .223/5.56, 7.62, 6.5 grendel, 6.8 SPC, and a few others you only have to change the upper and mags. If you want to go up to .308 you have to have an AR10 lower. Which has a larger mag well.
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    thats what i wanted to know. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by abock33 View Post
    thats what i wanted to know. thanks
    No prob! Glad I could help.
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    Cool Rifle is a great tool

    Take a look at the PTR91. The mags are dirt cheap. It is .308 Win (good to hunt with). .308 Win is a the same dimensionally as 7.62 NATO (easy to feed)...But most importantly it is a civilian variant of the HK91 used by Seals during Grenada and up to but not during Desert Storm. Accuracy is about 2 MOA with Ball ammo and Horandy TAP 155's will bring her inside of an inch. Don't worry about putting a bunch of fuss gadgets on her. Mine wears a Bushnell 10X tactical because I'm lazy and don't like to walk downrange and check targets.:hilarious:
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    Try a levergun in pistol cartridge

    I own a henry in .357 w/20" octagon brl. I would not be afraid to use this as a home defense choice, BUT I agree with the shotgun being the best choice followed by a handgun.

    look around on google for lervergun forums and read what they have to say.

    Jim
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    Thanks guys......

    looks like i will have to wait and do my home work, due to the endless choices of the role I expect to fill. It's more like a multi role I guess, My ideas include with out being set in stone, an AR platform with ether a mark-12 upper for heavy grn .223's in a 18"-20" med to heavy barrel. or a 6.5 Grendel upper, with a .223 in a 16"-18" as a popular cal. backup, or cheaper range practice. The perks of that platform can wield to about any mission. Though I do like the .308 NATO round and don't know of any uppers that pin in place to change cal.on the .308 lower. As easily as the .223 lower being able to accept several uppers, etc. i still have my eye on that Springfield M1-a socom 16 the price is the only problem here, though if i want a good AR I will probably be spending around 1300 plus for all the options and 2000 if I want the redesigned gas system such as the POF long guns or Barrett's 468, etc.

    If you are still reading, the main buying factor in this search is round availability due to riots, meltdown of government etc.So no 300mag no .260 , .270, ect. Strength of round to hunt, defend, and survive, spare parts are in the plans of coarse. I do want a accuate gun, so maybe not a mini 14-0, nor an AK or veriant, even though they will most likely out last most and require less maintenance.I have found a Rem. 700 series tactical sps in .308 with a 16" heavy barrel, for 699. and do a detachable 10rnd drop mag conversing for 269. But like I said research and hands on will help the hunt>M.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by TexasGun View Post
    This will be my first long gun. Not for any specific purpose just expanding my collection. I own to many pistols and a shotgun(Winchester W/ red dot).
    Time for a rifle. I do not hunt but it must be able to. I' live in the city so I'd like a short barrel. Lets call it a all purpose defense gun. I've always wanted a Springfield socom 16, but need advice on accuracy issues with the 16" barrel? I relally like the Idea of a semi auto and was also looking at a Ruger mini 14 but think the .223 might be to small of a round. What do you guys think? M.
    The bullet is not to small, the speed of the 223 is what can make a difference, check out this link on 223 hydrostatic shock.

    .223 Remington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  9. I'll stick with my old Model 70 Winchester (pre '64) in .30-06 and keep the bad folks at a long range from me. It may be slow with the bolt action, but it only takes one shot to stop most living things. In close I have the 9mm and 45 acp, and there is always the 12 ga semi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGun View Post
    This will be my first long gun. Not for any specific purpose just expanding my collection. I own to many pistols and a shotgun(Winchester W/ red dot).
    Time for a rifle. I do not hunt but it must be able to. I' live in the city so I'd like a short barrel. Lets call it a all purpose defense gun. I've always wanted a Springfield socom 16, but need advice on accuracy issues with the 16" barrel? I relally like the Idea of a semi auto and was also looking at a Ruger mini 14 but think the .223 might be to small of a round. What do you guys think? M.
    Short barrel .308 is like kissing a hooker.
    If you can't 'Reach' with it, there is no use having a .30 cal. rifle.

    If you want short barrel, stay with the AR-15/Ruger Mini-14/Ruger Mini-30 or SKS/AK clones.
    AR will be the most accurate, followed by the Rugers.
    They will bring down any thin skinned game in north America,
    And the AR is VERY easy to convert to .22 LR for small game hunting and cheap practice.

    Sort barrel means low velocity in a .30 cal rifle,
    But if you want accuracy and cheap ammo, consider a Ruger Mini-30.
    It's chambered in 7.62x39mm Russian so all that cheap import ammo will cycle through it just fine,
    And you don't have to worry about the barrel separating from the receiver like you do with the AK clones.
    Resale is good, accuracy is pretty good, and the Mini-30 is a VERY strong rifle action, so you don't have to worry about the thing blowing up or coming apart like the 'Import' AK clones do on a regular basis...
    Nothing like the pinned barrel sheering it's self away from a stamped steel receiver in the Import AK Clones!

    If you insist on a .30 cal. lead slinger, the SKS/AK clones are cheap and so is the ammo.
    They aren't very accurate, failure prone, and made of cheap materials.
    So if you want to hunt large, thin skinned game, keep within 200 yards or less.

    I would NOT try to hunt dangerous game with an SKS/AK clone, they don't have enough knock down power and are failure prone, and I don't want to bet my life on the workmanship of some Chinese inmate labor working with inferior materials!

    An actual SKS combat surplus rifle can still be had fairly cheaply, and they are a much better choice for this class of rifle.
    There are no more surplus actual combat AK's on the market, and haven't been in quite a while.
    Everything on the market is the cheap clones, and I don't trust them for a second.
    I don't even like to be next to them at the gun ranges when someone else shows up with them!

    I suggest you get one of the older military surplus bolt guns to learn on.
    They can be had for $100-$200 and are fairly accurate, and will let you knock it around pretty good while you are learning about longer range ballistics, gun cleaning, ect. with a rifle.

    It's a VERY cheap way to enter rifle shooting, and they are as reliable as an anvil.
    Since they are nothing special, you really get to knock them around and not have to worry about resale value or loosing money if something really bad happens to them.

    Everybody makes stocks & add ons for them pretty cheaply if you want to try your hand at customization or accurizing one before you step off into the world of $1,000 rifles.
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    There is no 'Defense Gun' like a 12 Ga. pump gun!

    There is no bad guy in the world that doesn't know the sound of the slide racking a round into a 12 Ga.
    And he'll jump out a third story window with crap in his pants to keep from facing that boomer!

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    You definitely can't go wrong with the Rem 700 in 308. It will take down any critter in North America (except maybe the big bears) two legged or four. And gives you the ability to reach out and touch them before they know they are being touched.
    Enjoy the research and hope you enjoy your first rifle.

    Semper Fi

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