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    Quote Originally Posted by NDS View Post

    Bushmaster - Home Defense & Recreation Rifles
    A lot of people are critical of Bushmaster's Carbon 15 model.
    Sweet! Nice and light. That old 7 pounder felt like 20 after 15 miles!
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    Uh Oh......Mall Ninja, anyone?

    Call me crazy, but isn't Ft. Sill for the rocket slingers and tankers????
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    Quote Originally Posted by usvet View Post
    Sweet! Nice and light. That old 7 pounder felt like 20 after 15 miles!
    To be honest, I'm looking for a good deal on one. I want to see for myself if it's the POS many on the forums say it is. At the least, I'm thinking the lower would be a good starting point for a light rifle.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDS View Post
    To be honest, I'm looking for a good deal on one. I want to see for myself if it's the POS many on the forums say it is. At the least, I'm thinking the lower would be a good starting point for a light rifle.
    I'm with you NDS. When I was building my last AR I wanted to go lightweight and looked into those. I wondered how the upper would hold up. Probably would have tried it out if they hadn't cost so much.

    They also make a polymer one piece lower.

    CAVALRY ARMS CORPORATION - Complete Polymer Lower Half [CAV-15] - $257.00 : AmeetecArms.com, Home of the AR15

    I friend build a rifle using one of these lowers and has been happy with it. Although I don't think he's smacked anyone upside the head with the butt stock yet! Lol
    "When Government fears the people, it's liberty. When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
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    Actually, the M-14 is the longest serving rifle in the US Military. 1957-present

    I like to respond to cooper,,,The M14 was the shortest serve rifle in the army,,,1957 to 1964,,,,When they talk about the service of a rifle ,they mean when it is issue as a standard weapon...The M-16 has been a standard issue weapon to the US soldier since 1964,,,Just because they still use the M-14 it is not issue to you,,It is left over from then it was made before 1964,,,,,Airborne all the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimberPB View Post
    I'm with you NDS. When I was building my last AR I wanted to go lightweight and looked into those. I wondered how the upper would hold up. Probably would have tried it out if they hadn't cost so much.

    They also make a polymer one piece lower.

    CAVALRY ARMS CORPORATION - Complete Polymer Lower Half [CAV-15] - $257.00 : AmeetecArms.com, Home of the AR15

    I friend build a rifle using one of these lowers and has been happy with it. Although I don't think he's smacked anyone upside the head with the butt stock yet! Lol
    Thanks for posting the link; I didn't know anyone had a number of those in stock any more. Next time I'm in Phoenix I'll stop by Ameetec (assuming he actually comes in these days--that guy used to keep really strange hours). Since Cavalry ran into trouble with BATFE those have been hard to come by and the price has climbed. I passed on some for less than $200 complete a year or two ago--who thought they'd get into trouble and stop production? Who thought things would go crazy after the election?

    Oh well, next time...
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

  8. I'm also a big Ruger fan, and my Mini 14 would be my primary SHTF utensil even if I had an AR, but that still wouldn't stop me from building an AR if I had the money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    In your diatribe you said there are millions and millions of AR fans out there. If there are that many fans then that should tell you something. If the platform didn't work then there wouldn't be that many fans.


    You said if you hit someone with the buttstock it would fall off. First of all the buttstock won't fall off even if it's broken all the way around the stock. I can cut one in two and it will still stay on. I challenge anyone to hit a solid object with the buttstock and have it fall off. You may crack the stock but it won't fall off. The outside of the stock encases a very dense foam that will hold up to a lot of abuse. You stated it would render the M16 inoperable because the buffer spring is housed in the stock. The buffer spring is housed in the buffer tube not the stock. You don't even need a buttstock to operate the rifle. Bottom line is you hit someone with a butt strike and they are going down and the firearm will not fall apart.

    I call BS on everything you said. I'm talking from experience not rumors and innuendo.
    +1, I agree 100%. At Paris Island we did butt strokes to the head of a dummy against a tree while running full speed! If that didn't break it, I don't know what will. I have even seen a few run over by a 7 ton, pick it up, Knock the dirt off and start firing with no problems!
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    Colt does hold the military M-16 contract, however, some parts are contracted out. Stocks are made by various companies and sometimes hold their emblem. This has resulted in the false notion that other companies are making the M-16. This is also how the rumor got started that Mattel Toy company was making M-16's because their emblem was seen on stocks and grips that were made by them. While they started out with a bad rep for reliability the M-16/ AR-15 has come a long way since Vietnam. It now serves well in many different zones from deserts to jungles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    In your diatribe you said there are millions and millions of AR fans out there. If there are that many fans then that should tell you something. If the platform didn't work then there wouldn't be that many fans.

    If you fired in basic training in 83 you either fired a Colt or an Armalite M-16. IH never made an M-16 for the military or civilian use.

    You stated you couldn't fire over 3 rounds at a time. If that was the case it sounds like you had a bad magazine. Failure to fire problems usually because of a bent feed lip on a training magazine that had been dropped too many times. I've trashed many magazines because of this. Yes the M-16 will become a little sluggish after a few thousand rounds but a squirt of CLP will take care of it for a while. About the time you were in basic we tried to see if we could melt a barrel on an M-16. We loaded couple thousand rounds in 30 rd mags. We fired them off as fast as we could on full auto. We had the barrel almost white hot. Other than a few FF's because of a bad mag and a few cook-offs it worked fine until it got too hot to hold. The hand guard didn't melt and didn't break. When it cooled off we gaged the barrel and it still met embarkation minimums and headspaced within tolerance.

    You said if you hit someone with the buttstock it would fall off. First of all the buttstock won't fall off even if it's broken all the way around the stock. I can cut one in two and it will still stay on. I challenge anyone to hit a solid object with the buttstock and have it fall off. You may crack the stock but it won't fall off. The outside of the stock encases a very dense foam that will hold up to a lot of abuse. You stated it would render the M16 inoperable because the buffer spring is housed in the stock. The buffer spring is housed in the buffer tube not the stock. You don't even need a buttstock to operate the rifle. Bottom line is you hit someone with a butt strike and they are going down and the firearm will not fall apart.

    I call BS on everything you said. I'm talking from experience not rumors and innuendo.

    If the SHTF I'm grabbing one of my AR's. I have several M1 Garands and a couple M1A's but the AR platform will be my choice. Light weight and the 5.56 is a devastating round. A double tap will drop anyone.
    amen to the above post,13 yrs. in the army have but stoked several people no problem. if your scared,holler scared! and give them a barrel thump!!!

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