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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    "Shall not be infringed" doesn't mean that every Tom, **** and Harry out there can carry their guns around town. What need do you have to do that anyways? If you are going somewhere that you HAVE TO carry a gun, I suggest you don't go there anymore. The State of Maryland recognizes your right to bear arms, and it has no problem with you owning a gun and keeping it in your home. MD just doesn't want you going out in town with it. And I don't blame them. Currently (as of Nov. 29, 2010) Baltimore is the 3rd most dangerous city in the Nation. The last thing that the State needs are more idiots waving a gun around screaming about Constitutional Rights and Infrigment. If you're hunting, fine. If you're target shooting, fine. If you don't trust the law enforcement that are TRAINED to handle all different situations, than I suggest you apply, attend the academy, graduate, swear in, and wear the uniform yourself. Than you HAVE TO carry a gun everywhere. Happy?
    We do not want our permits so that we can walk around town "waving a gun and screaming like idiots". We want a permit for protection. I wish I didnt have to worry about my families protection but unfourtonetly I do. And for not going somewhere that requires a gun for protection isnt that simple. My mother, grandmother and grandfather have cancer and have to go to Baltimore and D.C. for medical reasons that they NEED to live. They have to walk threw parking decks and down streets that are filled with the people that made Baltimore the 3rd most dangerous city. They have no other defense againts criminals besides a weapon. So for my mother to carry and gun for PROTECTION she needs a permit. Wheres the police officer to walk with my family and all the other people the can be a target? The people that make Baltimore the third most dangerous city are people that carry guns illegally and would not care about getting a permit anyways. The people that would have permits would be ones that want to be legal, registered and have it for PROTECTION. For your law enforcement.....well I would take a hunter over a officer anyday. I have recently been dealing with Baltimore police. My family had a dirtbike stolen from them at a school and rode it away down city streets 4 blocks from a police barricks. They really intimidate criminals dont they? When the police wre called, they showed up 1 hour later and never filed a report until my mother went to the barricks and made them write a report. The police never took action. we caught the guy a ourselve a few weeks ago and he is now in jail. So why should I join the academy when I can do more as a unarmed citizen then a armed Law officer? Dont get me wrong, officers do alot and put their lives on the line but I trust myself alot more.

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  3. #32

    Thumbs down You still don't get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    Every person has the unaliable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    And carrying firearms can potentially help me save my life in a bad situation, which in turn allows me to exercise my liberty, which makes me happy. Pretty simple equation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    I have read the Constitution several times (I defend it after all),
    No, you swore an oath to defend it from all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith to same. There is a huge differance between saying an oath after they hand you a cute uniform and actually meaning it and doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    and I have not once seen anywhere in there that is says that every person has the RIGHT to CARRY their weapon with them in town concealed so no one can see it. Have you? If you have, please tell me which line the in the admendment that it's located. It says that every person has the right to bear arms, and to protect their lives and property.
    Since your historical perspective is somewhat challenged, bearing arms means carrying them with you. I.E. to protect life, liberty, and property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    So by that statement I say to you, purchase a firearm, ammunition, and a SAFE and keep the first two in the last so that it is ready for use when the need arises.
    Again you have contradicted yourself. A gun in a safe is not ready for use when the need arises. A holstered gun at my side is. That's what it means to bear arms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    Aside from Military personnel in a combat zone and Law Enforcement Officers on duty, I have never once met a single person that REQUIRED a gun to be with them at all times.
    You don't get out much do you? Ever meet a woman who had a stalker, Ex-husband or otherwise? It's a very scary and dangerous situation. And no restraining order from a judge is going to stop a stalker, never has and never will. Even if the woman carries a cell phone (and is always in the coverage footprint of her carrier, which is a HUGE what-if), what is an average 911 responce time? Eleven minutes? For comparisons sake, 11 minutes is two rounds of MMA fighting (UFC, Ultimate Fighting). And on the street you don't get the benefit of having Herb Dean there to stop the fight nor do your get that one minute rest period either. That means if you're getting choked unconsious, there is no stopping the assailant from cracking your skull or breaking some bones while your lights are out.

  4. #33

    Thumbs down The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckhammer View Post
    We do not want our permits so that we can walk around town "waving a gun and screaming like idiots". We want a permit for protection. I wish I didnt have to worry about my families protection but unfourtonetly I do. And for not going somewhere that requires a gun for protection isnt that simple. My mother, grandmother and grandfather have cancer and have to go to Baltimore and D.C. for medical reasons that they NEED to live. They have to walk threw parking decks and down streets that are filled with the people that made Baltimore the 3rd most dangerous city. They have no other defense againts criminals besides a weapon. So for my mother to carry and gun for PROTECTION she needs a permit. Wheres the police officer to walk with my family and all the other people the can be a target? The people that make Baltimore the third most dangerous city are people that carry guns illegally and would not care about getting a permit anyways. The people that would have permits would be ones that want to be legal, registered and have it for PROTECTION. For your law enforcement.....well I would take a hunter over a officer anyday. I have recently been dealing with Baltimore police. My family had a dirtbike stolen from them at a school and rode it away down city streets 4 blocks from a police barricks. They really intimidate criminals dont they? When the police wre called, they showed up 1 hour later and never filed a report until my mother went to the barricks and made them write a report. The police never took action. we caught the guy a ourselve a few weeks ago and he is now in jail. So why should I join the academy when I can do more as a unarmed citizen then a armed Law officer? Dont get me wrong, officers do alot and put their lives on the line but I trust myself alot more.
    That is a very sad story. But unfortunatley the law is still the law. There is a reason why the citizens can't get permits for carrying a concealed weapon (I'm not sure what it is, but there is one), and people can't open carry in Maryland because it draws attention to you and makes you a target even more. Which is why I'm such an advocate for training. If you had someone come up to you and attempt to take your weapon, would you be able to fight them off? You don't have the right to shoot and kill them (if you had control of your weapon), because he is unarmed and no direct threat on your life. So what would you do? I still think it's better that the untrained stay unarmed. And in case you're planning on using this argument: a safety course and reading the instructions on your weapon and holster are NOT proper training.

  5. #34

    Thumbs down Stalkers and such

    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    And carrying firearms can potentially help me save my life in a bad situation, which in turn allows me to exercise my liberty, which makes me happy. Pretty simple equation.



    No, you swore an oath to defend it from all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith to same. There is a huge differance between saying an oath after they hand you a cute uniform and actually meaning it and doing it.



    Since your historical perspective is somewhat challenged, bearing arms means carrying them with you. I.E. to protect life, liberty, and property.



    Again you have contradicted yourself. A gun in a safe is not ready for use when the need arises. A holstered gun at my side is. That's what it means to bear arms.



    You don't get out much do you? Ever meet a woman who had a stalker, Ex-husband or otherwise? It's a very scary and dangerous situation. And no restraining order from a judge is going to stop a stalker, never has and never will. Even if the woman carries a cell phone (and is always in the coverage footprint of her carrier, which is a HUGE what-if), what is an average 911 responce time? Eleven minutes? For comparisons sake, 11 minutes is two rounds of MMA fighting (UFC, Ultimate Fighting). And on the street you don't get the benefit of having Herb Dean there to stop the fight nor do your get that one minute rest period either. That means if you're getting choked unconsious, there is no stopping the assailant from cracking your skull or breaking some bones while your lights are out.
    Yes. I know several women (and men in fact) that needed protecting of a non-significant other. And none of those situations warrented carrying a firearm. Ever hear of escorts? Friends, family members, professionals (if you can afford it)? Have someone live you and watch for the danger. A perp is going to be more spooked be multiple people than a .40. I would protect any of my friends if they needed it. And if anyone says they wouldn't are not real friends (in my opinion).

  6. #35

    Angry Troops

    [QUOTE=No, you swore an oath to defend it from all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith to same. There is a huge differance between saying an oath after they hand you a cute uniform and actually meaning it and doing it.QUOTE]

    Also, I did not take that oath to get the "pretty uniform". Don't assume to know me and the reasons behind my reasons for enlisting. I would venture to say that I have done and still do more for this country (that you so openly complain about so passionately) than you have or ever will. I may be wrong, but that is just my guess.

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    That is a very sad story. But unfortunatley the law is still the law.
    And when the law is clearly wrong, those of us who actually give a darn about society and other people work to change the law. Which is hopefully what is going on in Maryland right now. Adopting a defeatist attitude is always a surefire way to lose any situation. You should already know that, or don't they teach morale building in the USMC anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    There is a reason why the citizens can't get permits for carrying a concealed weapon (I'm not sure what it is, but there is one),
    I will spell it out for you, it's called "discretionary issue", which in a lot of cases becomes discriminatory issue, no-issue, or basic nanny-statism. My current home state, South Carolina, used to have a very unfairly writen discretionary issue law. It was blatently designed to prevent black people from carrying firearms, as a holdover from the Jim Crow era. This law was changed back in 1995 to a fair and consistant, while still flawed, "shall-issue" or objective standard law.

    And guess what has happened since this needed legal reform went into effect? Crime rates have gone down. There have been no incidents of rivers of blood running through the streets or shootouts over parking spaces. And you don't see Shiites blowing up law enforcement vehicles in the deserts of South Carolina, which you seem to irrationally think will happen in Maryland if they get their act together and adopt some reasonable right-to-carry reforms. The same tired anti-gun rhetoric gets spewed everytime "shall-issue" or any other right-to-carry reform is brought up, and history has shown since 1986, that it is all hysterics and paranoid delusions by anti-gun people. Try doing some research before spewing tired anti-gun rhetoric.

    And another thing, before you accuse me of somehow playing a race card, whatever that is, by mentioning that racism, discrimination, and other predudices can play a part in a discretionary issue or "may-issue" permitting system, Google the name "Jim March" and California. In California there is a "may-issue" system that has been shown to at best be a blatently corrupt system of favoritism, and at worst to be outright racist towards black and hispanic people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    and people can't open carry in Maryland because it draws attention to you and makes you a target even more.
    I will admit that I am not a big fan of open carry. Which is a moot point at the moment for me as it is currently illegal in South Carolina. With that being said, can you cite one incident of a law abiding citizen being targetted by a criminal because they were open carrying?

    I don't see how the local Methodist minister would be drawing attention to himself if he had a holstered sidearm on his belt whilst cycling down River street to the thrift store to conduct business. Are you going to try to tell me that South Carolina should be clamorring in fear of an armed invation of Mormon misionaries opperating in coordinated pair on cycles if open carry becomes legal in this state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    Which is why I'm such an advocate for training.
    And I am an advocate of education, which is something you obviously do not have enough of on the issues that you are speaking of. Please try to educate yourself more.

    I advocate training and participate in training. What I don't want is unessesary government imposed one-size fits noone approaches. Everyones situation and needs are different. This is partially the same reason I don't want government run healthcare, but that is an asside.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    If you had someone come up to you and attempt to take your weapon, would you be able to fight them off? You don't have the right to shoot and kill them (if you had control of your weapon), because he is unarmed and no direct threat on your life. So what would you do?
    You can come up with whatever hypothetical situation you want, and they do make for interesting acedemic discusions on this site, but it does nothing to boost your argument with mere speculation and what ifs. If you want to have a discusion on what-ifs and hypothetical situations, do a search on these forums, there are plenty of such discusions already in progress. Please try to participate in these forums in a positive manor instead of spewing antigun rhetoric and trying to cut down law abiding gunowners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    I still think it's better that the untrained stay unarmed.
    If that's your choice, than so be it. I don't think the government should tell you a one sized fits none approach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    And in case you're planning on using this argument: a safety course and reading the instructions on your weapon and holster are NOT proper training.
    OK, I'll throw you a softball, please tell us in your non-expert opinion what is proper training?

  8. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    Yes. I know several women (and men in fact) that needed protecting of a non-significant other. And none of those situations warrented carrying a firearm.
    So you are able to monitor their situation twenty-four hours a day seven days a week and make that determination? A firearm is a tool, and like any other tool you might or might not need it in a given situation. But like the Boy Scout Motto, it is better to "Be Prepared" and have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it.

    BTW you are displaying a very uncharacteristic attitude for a Marine, which you claim to be or have been. I have never known a Marine who didn't want to get every piece of gear they could get their hands on and then get the guys in Navy to figure out how to carry it for them. I personally know a Marine who purchased a chainsaw which could run off of gasoline, diesel oil or any mixture of the two including mixures that contain up to 30% alcohol. He wanted it in case he got shipped off to one of the various overseas conflicts. I am not sure what a Marine does in Korea or Afganastan with a chainsaw, but he thought it might come in handy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    Ever hear of escorts? Friends, family members, professionals (if you can afford it)? Have someone live you and watch for the danger.
    And what if those are not an option? There you go with more one sized fits all solutions just as long as it does not involve those evil firearms in the hands of us non-elite comman-folk. Please move beyond the anti-gun bigotry and try to learn something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    A perp is going to be more spooked be multiple people than a .40.
    And how can you say that for sure? Or is it that you just don't want ordinary people carrying firearms for personal protection?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    I would protect any of my friends if they needed it. And if anyone says they wouldn't are not real friends (in my opinion).
    And that gets back to why I own firearms, and for that matter why a few of my friends do too. I have taken friends to the range so that they could learn firearms safety and marksmanship if they should need those skills. That's what friends are for.

  9. Talking home safety

    The last holiday season my son (who is in the Army ) came home for a visit. While here we went to the local range to do some practice. I took 3 of my guns along 1 being a WW2 mauser. After firing this rifle my son , who also is trained in heavy weapons, said he had never fired anything so powerful. with my hand guns he knows my home is realitivily safe.

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    Angry Castle doctrine applied

    I recently had a very serious attempted break-in at 1:00am. The perp smashed a window and as I ran to get my 1911 .45, he ran away. When the LEO's arrived 15 minutes later, (5 blocks away), the responder asked me about the weapon, then laying on my DR table, aand asked if I was a retired LEO. I said no, just an avid gun collector. I stated that If the perp came back, I fully intended to protect my family and that he would not be leaving on his feet. The LEO stated "Do whatever you need to do to protect your family and property" I said that was what I fully intended to do. I have been able to secure information about the perp and have turned it over to the Police dept. and am waiting for a response.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Troop2trooper View Post
    I would protect any of my friends if they needed it. And if anyone says they wouldn't are not real friends (in my opinion).
    i hope you'r not protecting them from a criminal with a gun because
    Obviously you would be off duty and not at YOUR home therefore no gun for you my friend. right?

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