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    Quote Originally Posted by applessshch View Post
    Well, I guess I owe everyone here and apology, not for what I said as I meant it to be cute, but for making you think I'm trying to start a flame war. Totally not intentional. I thought the subject was worth posting on. I'm new to guns and this sight and find this subject interesting. Sorry if you all thought I was trying to start trouble. I'll be more serious from here on out, no laughter allowed. Got it.
    Its all good....it is a good topic, one which is worth discussing. Just a old thread with alot of back and forth. Welcome to the world of shooting. Be safe, practice practice....and nothing wrong with a laugh....;)

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    it depends

    I know most of you say don't tell the cops about your weapon unless asked, but feel them out a bit. I have not been stopped in a long time, but I have also never been issued a ticket after showing them my permit. I was racing to get to a store for washing machine parts and as I came up to a large group of traffic in the right two lanes I thought why are you going so slow. I moved to the left and see ya off I went. As I hit the off ramp about a mile later it was like a christmas light show, MA state police. I pulled over and he snuck up on the right side. I had allready grabbed the paperwork so I was somewhat ready. He said the reason I pulled you over was I keeping traffic slow and I went blowing by him so he had to stop me. I informed him that if for no other reason but respect I would never do that if I had seen him. Anyway I handed him the license, reg and ccp. He looked at it and asked where it was. I told him it was right hip and he asked me to keep my hands on the wheel and he was going to remove the weapon. I agreed and after this he had me step out of the car for a quick pat down. After that he asked why I was carrying and that started the discussion.....15 minutes later he placed the weapon on my passenger seat, unloaded and asked that I wait till he is gone to load it. He also informed me that I was going 74 mph and in that spot it is a 50 mph zone. (290 s turns toward auburn for those close)He said have a good night slow down and to try not to pass state troopers on the highway. It was worth it to me to put the time in to try to avoid the ticket and it worked. I have in the past gotten out of 4 possible tickets this way and this was the only time I was disarmed or removed from the car. I also did not make it in time for he parts and had to go back the next day.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by zeebea View Post
    Anyway I handed him the license, reg and ccp. He looked at it and asked where it was. I told him it was right hip and he asked me to keep my hands on the wheel and he was going to remove the weapon. I agreed and after this he had me step out of the car for a quick pat down. After that he asked why I was carrying and that started the discussion.....15 minutes later he placed the weapon on my passenger seat, unloaded and asked that I wait till he is gone to load it. He also informed me that I was going 74 mph and in that spot it is a 50 mph zone. (290 s turns toward auburn for those close)He said have a good night slow down and to try not to pass state troopers on the highway. It was worth it to me to put the time in to try to avoid the ticket and it worked. I have in the past gotten out of 4 possible tickets this way and this was the only time I was disarmed or removed from the car. I also did not make it in time for he parts and had to go back the next day.
    Well. let's see....I've gotten away with just a warning for speeding no less than three times while carrying a firearm. Neither the officer nor I mentioned it and nobody felt the need to do anything with my gun other than leave it alone in it's holster untouched. Some people might think it is worth it to put everyone at increased risk of a negligent discharge by unneccesarily inviting the officer to handle a loaded gun on the side of the road in the hopes of endearing themselves to the police officer to try to get out of a ticket they completely deserve to get. I won't.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Well. let's see....I've gotten away with just a warning for speeding no less than three times while carrying a firearm. Neither the officer nor I mentioned it and nobody felt the need to do anything with my gun other than leave it alone in it's holster untouched. Some people might think it is worth it to put everyone at increased risk of a negligent discharge by unneccesarily inviting the officer to handle a loaded gun on the side of the road in the hopes of endearing themselves to the police officer to try to get out of a ticket they completely deserve to get. I won't.
    Agreed!

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    It is not required under Ma. Law that you tell the police officer. That said, when a police officer approches any vehicle he is on a higher level of 'stress', there is no such thing as a 'simple' traffic stop, for all he knows you may have two body's in the trunk. Police have been shot at 'simple' traffic stops. I sugguest as a courtesy, that you include your LTC with your drivers license and registration, as you hand it over tell him your showing him your LTC also, this should lower his stress level as he will know instantly that your not a 'bad guy', they are not issued a LTC. He will find out you have one anyway when he enters your info into his computer. When he comes back to you he may just extend you a courtesy by not giving you a ticket. Just a consideration, your choice.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mshean1955 View Post
    It is not required under Ma. Law that you tell the police officer. That said, when a police officer approches any vehicle he is on a higher level of 'stress', there is no such thing as a 'simple' traffic stop, for all he knows you may have two body's in the trunk. Police have been shot at 'simple' traffic stops. I sugguest as a courtesy, that you include your LTC with your drivers license and registration, as you hand it over tell him your showing him your LTC also, this should lower his stress level as he will know instantly that your not a 'bad guy', they are not issued a LTC. He will find out you have one anyway when he enters your info into his computer. When he comes back to you he may just extend you a courtesy by not giving you a ticket. Just a consideration, your choice.
    Would you suggest that a person inform a taxi cab driver about a LTC before getting in the cab, as a courtesy, if a person has to ride in a cab for some reason?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    I dont think we were talking about cab drivers, or anything/anyone other than law enforcement officers, stay on message NavyLCDR.

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    Of all the states that allow CC only 10 require you to notify the officer during a police interaction, I think that's significant. There are now 49 states that allow some form of concealed carry and only 10 feel that officer safety is enhanced by requiring notification. In many states (Colorado included) no permit is required to carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle, how would a law requiring notification by permit holders affect them? More significantly, how would such a law affect the thousands of criminal who ignore every other gun law on the books on a daily basis?

    I can't see how informing a police officer you're heeled can do anything but escalate tensions, especially if you win the lottery and inform an officer who thinks anyone with a CCW is a wannabe cop.

    There’s no benefit to me if I voluntarily inform so I don't. I'm required to produce my permit and a valid I.D if I'm asked that would be the only time I would do so.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by mshean1955 View Post
    I dont think we were talking about cab drivers, or anything/anyone other than law enforcement officers, stay on message NavyLCDR.
    OK, I'll stay on message, mshean1955. You posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by mshean1955 View Post
    I sugguest as a courtesy, that you include your LTC with your drivers license and registration, as you hand it over tell him your showing him your LTC also, this should lower his stress level as he will know instantly that your not a 'bad guy', they are not issued a LTC. He will find out you have one anyway when he enters your info into his computer. When he comes back to you he may just extend you a courtesy by not giving you a ticket. Just a consideration, your choice.
    Why are police officers more worthy of your courtesy than anyone else? There are at least 9 more professions who are more likely to die on the job than police officers are. Would it not stand to reason that people in those professions would be under MORE stress about dying on the job than police officers? Doesn't that mean that they would be more worthy of your courtesy than police officers are?

    A cab driver is many times more likely to be shot by a criminal than a police officer is. See, I kept it on message, we are talking about how unlikely police officers are to be killed, even shot, on the job than other professions are. So why do your feel that police officers are exclusively worthy of your courtesy? How about if you share with us your "message", mshean1955 and tell us that?

    I think you hinted at it in your post:

    Quote Originally Posted by mshean1955 View Post
    When he comes back to you he may just extend you a courtesy by not giving you a ticket. Just a consideration, your choice.
    Seems to me like you are hoping for the courtesy of getting out of a ticket that you deserve to get by showing your "membership" card.

    All indicators point that all this talk of "officers just want to go home at night safe to their families", "it puts the officer at ease", "it reduces the officer's stress" is just a B.S. cover for the real reason, "I want to do everything that I can to get out of that damn ticket!" otherwise you would be showing your LTC to all those other professions that contribute daily to your health and safety and are more likely to get killed on the job such as garbage collectors, or show your LTC whenever you did business with a person likely to get shot on the job like a cab driver, if you really wanted to be courteous. I thought concealed means concealed? So why flash the card and tell a complete stranger about your gun just because they are wearing a badge and a uniform....it sure seems, given the facts, it's only done because YOU hope to be the recipient of the benefit. After all, at least in Washington, your garbage collector and cab driver have the same powers of detainment for crimes committed in their presence as a police officer does.

    I just can't subscribe to this theory that the gun is such a special object above all those other objects I legally carry, and that a police officer is such a special person above all those other persons I have contact with.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    OK,
    Seems to me like you are hoping for the courtesy of getting out of a ticket that you deserve to get by showing your "membership" card.

    All indicators point that all this talk of "officers just want to go home at night safe to their families", "it puts the officer at ease", "it reduces the officer's stress" is just a B.S. cover for the real reason, "I want to do everything that I can to get out of that damn ticket!".
    I don't have a problem with this per se but at least be honest about it.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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