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    Dude....relax! It was a joke. Smile!

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    Got my Firearm Safety Certificate today and now all I have to do is meet with the Chief. But here's how my day was and my INCREDIBLE impression of Massachusetts "safety concerns"

    My day went like this:

    I showed up early and slowly the cars started to pile in and in the end there were 20 people, 14 of which that were UNDER the age of 21 (minimum age for LTC but can have FID at 16). I thought it was cool that young men were showing an interest; then they started to ask questions:

    1. Can I have an FID with an active restraining order for Asault and Battery? (Answer is no and you are banned for LIFE)

    2. Can I have an FID card with a possession of narcotics charge pending? (Answer is no and get an attorney)

    As the class started and the passing around of guns eventually began, these punks basically took it all as a joke thinking they were "thug money". Between sling shotting the slides on the semi autos and trying to try to flip the revolvers one handed to close the cylinder, to two guys falling asleep, it all pissed me off because it is going to be THESE guys that end up killing some innocent bystander whether it's me or my family!. Don't ask me why the instructor did not kick them out.

    The class goes on and towards the end of the class the instructor says how it is now time for the test. As I'm sitting there going through everything the instructor said in my head, I am feeling confident I can pass as I was 1 of 6 people who actually paid attention when MUCH to my surprise, the teacher pulls out the exam and goes over it with us and gave us all the answers before giving the tests to us!!

    The bottom line was this class was a farce and nothing more than a formality. Anybody who has NEVER held a gun and had basic common sense could pass this test. It was a waste of 8 hours but I'm at least one step away from getting my LTC. I'll just start by taking a safety course on my own at S&W who will at least give me 4 hours of one on one training FREE of charge whther it be with my own gun or one of theirs that I'd like to try..

    Covering state/federal laws was the most interesting TODAY though. Besides the two that I told you about already, how about these Massachusetts laws (per the instructor who I realize don't know everything).

    Per INSTRUCTOR:

    You CAN'T have large capacity guns in Massachusetts unless the gun was built PRE 1998.

    You CAN have a POST 1998 large capacity gun as long as the magazine was bought in a different state. Um...I guess I have to shop 15 minutes further down the road in CT? Ok!

    While in your home, you are required to keep it unloaded and locked up unless it is in your direct control (makes sense so far). But it is considered to be in your direct control regardless of where the gun is in relation to you even if the gun is on the 3rd floor and you're in the basement. How is that DIRECT control? You are only in violation if you exit the house and leave the gun in the house.

    And now the funny part:

    Most of those kids high tailed it as soon as they got their certificates (all proud and ****) but us 6 adults stayed and continued to ask questions after the class as I READ the certificate. All was fine and dandy until I noticed and asked, "Aren't you supposed to sign these?" The bottom line is he forgot to sign them and the certificates the punks have are USELESS now. They just wasted their day.....which is FINE with me! I feel safer! ;o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogwylde View Post
    Dude....relax! It was a joke. Smile!
    Who's not relaxed? I'm telling you what you may run into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogwylde View Post
    Got my Firearm Safety Certificate today and now all I have to do is meet with the Chief. But here's how my day was and my INCREDIBLE impression of Massachusetts "safety concerns"

    My day went like this:

    I showed up early and slowly the cars started to pile in and in the end there were 20 people, 14 of which that were UNDER the age of 21 (minimum age for LTC but can have FID at 16). I thought it was cool that young men were showing an interest; then they started to ask questions:

    1. Can I have an FID with an active restraining order for Asault and Battery? (Answer is no and you are banned for LIFE)

    2. Can I have an FID card with a possession of narcotics charge pending? (Answer is no and get an attorney)

    As the class started and the passing around of guns eventually began, these punks basically took it all as a joke thinking they were "thug money". Between sling shotting the slides on the semi autos and trying to try to flip the revolvers one handed to close the cylinder, to two guys falling asleep, it all pissed me off because it is going to be THESE guys that end up killing some innocent bystander whether it's me or my family!. Don't ask me why the instructor did not kick them out.

    The class goes on and towards the end of the class the instructor says how it is now time for the test. As I'm sitting there going through everything the instructor said in my head, I am feeling confident I can pass as I was 1 of 6 people who actually paid attention when MUCH to my surprise, the teacher pulls out the exam and goes over it with us and gave us all the answers before giving the tests to us!!

    The bottom line was this class was a farce and nothing more than a formality. Anybody who has NEVER held a gun and had basic common sense could pass this test. It was a waste of 8 hours but I'm at least one step away from getting my LTC. I'll just start by taking a safety course on my own at S&W who will at least give me 4 hours of one on one training FREE of charge whther it be with my own gun or one of theirs that I'd like to try..

    Covering state/federal laws was the most interesting TODAY though. Besides the two that I told you about already, how about these Massachusetts laws (per the instructor who I realize don't know everything).

    Per INSTRUCTOR:

    You CAN'T have large capacity guns in Massachusetts unless the gun was built PRE 1998.

    You CAN have a POST 1998 large capacity gun as long as the magazine was bought in a different state. Um...I guess I have to shop 15 minutes further down the road in CT? Ok!

    While in your home, you are required to keep it unloaded and locked up unless it is in your direct control (makes sense so far). But it is considered to be in your direct control regardless of where the gun is in relation to you even if the gun is on the 3rd floor and you're in the basement. How is that DIRECT control? You are only in violation if you exit the house and leave the gun in the house.

    And now the funny part:

    Most of those kids high tailed it as soon as they got their certificates (all proud and ****) but us 6 adults stayed and continued to ask questions after the class as I READ the certificate. All was fine and dandy until I noticed and asked, "Aren't you supposed to sign these?" The bottom line is he forgot to sign them and the certificates the punks have are USELESS now. They just wasted their day.....which is FINE with me! I feel safer! ;o)
    It sounds like you took NRA basic pistol. You could have taken NRA home firearms safety which is a four hour class with no exam and also meets the statuatory requirement. So much fail here....where to begin???

    You CAN'T have large capacity guns in Massachusetts unless the gun was built PRE 1998.

    Not so much. I have an M&P. It's large capacity. The M&P semis didn't exist prior to 1998 and it's perfectly legal. The year he's thinking of is also 1994. You can't have an assault weapon in Mass unless it was built prior to 9-13-94. Of course you understand what makes a firearm an assault weapon-right?


    You CAN have a POST 1998 large capacity gun as long as the magazine was bought in a different state. Um...I guess I have to shop 15 minutes further down the road in CT? Ok!

    Handguns must be transferred in your state of residency per federal law. Pre-ban mags can be purchased anywhere. It's often hard to prove the date they were manufactured anyway. If you buy a brand new mag that has a greater than 10 round capacity in CT and bring it into Mass you are now a felon. A post 1998 large capacity gun? Umm- that term isn't relevant and doesn't exist.


    While in your home, you are required to keep it unloaded and locked up unless it is in your direct control (makes sense so far). But it is considered to be in your direct control regardless of where the gun is in relation to you even if the gun is on the 3rd floor and you're in the basement. How is that DIRECT control? You are only in violation if you exit the house and leave the gun in the house.

    The law states that in the home firearms must be stored in a locked container or fitted with a tamper resistant mechanical locking device unless under your direct control. Firearms can be stored loaded. Direct control is not defined under the law. Case law shows us that unless the firearm is being carried on your person it will be considered not under your direct control, you can be charged with a storage violation, and you will be convicted.

    Tell me what he told you about transportation and carry. It sounds like you're on your way to multiple felonies based on what you have learned. That instructor is a joke.

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    Rich, explain this to me then and I ask because I am trying to decipher Massachusetts laws just like many or all of us and not get into a pissing match.

    Today I had a job at a Massachusetts Police Barracks and naturally got to talking to a Trooper about my questions regarding the laws. Not that I want or need a large capacity magazine but was merely curious to know the law and this State Trooper ALSO told me that it was perfectly LEGAL to go to CT and purchase a pre OR post 1998 magazine that I would be perfectly "with-in my rights" (his words)to carry with it.

    And in regards to "Direct Control", he ALSO said that the ONLY time it has to be locked up is when I leave it unattended the house.

    Are you saying that I am 0-2 with the info I received?

    I also just read this online and unless I suck at understanding legalese, this seems to collaborate what I was told.

    (a) A Class A license shall entitle a holder thereof to purchase, rent, lease, borrow, possess and carry: (i) firearms, including large capacity firearms, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes, subject to such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of firearms as the licensing authority deems proper; and (ii) rifles and shotguns, including large capacity weapons, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes; provided, however, that the licensing authority may impose such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of large capacity rifles and shotguns as it deems proper. A violation of a restriction imposed by the licensing authority under the provisions of this paragraph shall be cause for suspension or revocation and shall, unless otherwise provided, be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000; provided, however, that the provisions of section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply to such violation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogwylde View Post
    Rich, explain this to me then and I ask because I am trying to decipher Massachusetts laws just like many or all of us.

    Today I had a job at a Massachusetts Police Barracks and naturally got to talking to a Trooper about my questions regarding the laws. Not that I want or need a large capacity magazine but was merely curious to know but this State Trooper ALSO told me that it was perfectly LEGAL to go to CT and purchase a pre OR post 1998 magazine that I would be perfectly "with-in my rights" (his words).

    And in regards to "Direct Control", he ALSO said that the ONLY time it has to be locked up is when I leave it unattended the house.

    Are you saying that I am 0-2 with the info I received?
    Where are you getting 1998? It's 9-13-94. Buying a mag in CT doesn't make it legal in MA. Over 10 rounds post 9-13-94 and it's a felony in MA. Again- direct control is not defined under the law so the decision falls on the officer on scene. Case law shows that anything but on your person is not direct control. LEO's in Mass are widely known to arrest and charge when in doubt. You are getting some very bad info. I encourage you to do some in depth research on the state's website. Don't push the limits and become a test case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogwylde View Post
    Rich, explain this to me then and I ask because I am trying to decipher Massachusetts laws just like many or all of us and not get into a pissing match.

    Today I had a job at a Massachusetts Police Barracks and naturally got to talking to a Trooper about my questions regarding the laws. Not that I want or need a large capacity magazine but was merely curious to know the law and this State Trooper ALSO told me that it was perfectly LEGAL to go to CT and purchase a pre OR post 1998 magazine that I would be perfectly "with-in my rights" (his words)to carry with it.

    And in regards to "Direct Control", he ALSO said that the ONLY time it has to be locked up is when I leave it unattended the house.

    Are you saying that I am 0-2 with the info I received?

    I also just read this online and unless I suck at understanding legalese, this seems to collaborate what I was told.

    (a) A Class A license shall entitle a holder thereof to purchase, rent, lease, borrow, possess and carry: (i) firearms, including large capacity firearms, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes, subject to such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of firearms as the licensing authority deems proper; and (ii) rifles and shotguns, including large capacity weapons, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes; provided, however, that the licensing authority may impose such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of large capacity rifles and shotguns as it deems proper. A violation of a restriction imposed by the licensing authority under the provisions of this paragraph shall be cause for suspension or revocation and shall, unless otherwise provided, be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000; provided, however, that the provisions of section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply to such violation.

    Large capacity s defined under the law as any mag that holds 10 rounds or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    Where are you getting 1998? It's 9-13-94. Buying a mag in CT doesn't make it legal in MA. Over 10 rounds post 9-13-94 and it's a felony in MA. Again- direct control is not defined under the law so the decision falls on the officer on scene. Case law shows that anything but on your person is not direct control. LEO's in Mass are widely known to arrest and charge when in doubt. You are getting some very bad info. I encourage you to do some in depth research on the state's website. Don't push the limits and become a test case.
    I think you can see that I am not trying to become a test case by my taking the safety course and then after doubting what I was told regarding the law, I followed up by questioning other authorities on the it. What am I supposed to think if TWO STATE LEO's and a MA Law site that I found online substantiate what I was told?

    And I said 1998 because that is what the instructor said and for no other reason. I paid to take a MA mandated class and that is what we were told. No other reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    Large capacity s defined under the law as any mag that holds 10 rounds or more.
    Correct and that is what I understood in the class. But I asked to Trooper a hypothetical question if I was carrying a pistol with a 20 round mag if I would be legal. And he said yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogwylde View Post
    I think you can see that I am not trying to become a test case by my taking the safety course and then after doubting what I was told regarding the law, I followed up by questioning other authorities on the it. What am I supposed to think if TWO STATE LEO's and a MA Law site that I found online substantiate what I was told?

    And I said 1998 because that is what the instructor said and for no other reason. I paid to take a MA mandated class and that is what we were told. No other reason.
    I'm telling you right now that your instructor is ignorant if he's telling you 1998. If two mass staties are saying that it's correct that's certainly firghtening. Nobody ever wants to become a test case but plenty of people end up doing just that. Can you post a link to this site that confirms what youre saying here? I'd like to see it.

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