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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by BradAnderson View Post
    It's not a "rant," it's a response to idiots who don't have a clue.



    No, I don't "feel it," I KNOW it-- can't you read the thread-title, either?



    No. You're confusing the right to carry, with the right to PRIVACY.

    It would be different, if the state didn't allow the RIGHT to open-carry-- but it DOES. So the right to privacy also stands, under federal law-- thus yielding the right to carry CONCEALED as well. End of discussion. I can't help if you can't understand that.



    It's not an insult if it's true. These idiots are telling me that they should have elite privielges of self-defense that I don't have; this implies that their lives are more important than mine-- and that's about as serious an insult as you can get. If you want to sit there and take that, go ahead-- but don't expect me to.
    Since you won't carry on a discussion (this constitutes a rant) and have resorted to name calling in each of your posts in this thread, you're right, "End of discussion."

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    Mr. Anderson,
    I don’t disagree with you regarding the Constitution. We the people have not done a good job electing representatives that embrace those same values. It looks like the political pendulum is going to swing to the right. We will find out in November.

    The politicians and pro-gun lobby groups understood what was at stake with the passing of a “shall issue” CC law in Florida. They only allowed the statistically safe citizen’s CPL’s and required safety training. Anybody that could legally purchase a firearm was granted a CPL.

    The passing of Florida’s “shall issue” CPL laws changed everything. When the Florida laws were passed there were as many states that allowed CC as there are today that don’t. There has been a dramatic political change regarding private citizen’s rights to own and carry guns. We have all benefited from these changes.

    I agree that OC has always been legal in Michigan. My point about the effect of MCL 123.1102 was valid. Until the passage of that law in 1990 every local community had it’s own laws. Every county had different rules for getting a CCW. Many cities had laws prohibiting the transportation and possession of firearms. We all know those laws were not valid, good luck winning in court.

    If I understand your post you object to the requirement to get a CPL to CC. I agree with you there is really not a difference between CC and OC. The life experience requirement s in Michigan to get a CPL are the same as the federal requirements to purchase a firearm. The ATF form 4473, sections 11a thru 11k contain these requirements. We all complete this form every time we purchase a firearm. I will paraphrase below.

    11a. You must be purchasing the firearm for yourself. If you answer “no” the sale cannot proceed.
    11b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?
    11c. Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one year, even if you received a shorter sentence including probation?
    11d. Are you a fugitive from justice?
    11e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controller substance?
    11f. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
    11g. Have you been discharged from the Armed Services under dishonorable conditions?
    11h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner of child of such partner?
    11i. Have you been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of violence?
    11j. Have you ever renounced your United States citizenship?
    11k. Are you an alien illegally in the United States.
    If you answer “yes” to any 11b. thru 11k. the sale cannot proceed.

    You may strongly disagree that these limitations are a good thing for the law abiding firearm owner.

    I worked part time at a Sears Hardware store a number of years ago handling plumbing and electrical. I came to understand there are a lot of people that have no business owning tools.

    I worked part time at a Gander Mountain selling firearms for nearly 5 years. It was proven to me there are a number of people that have no business owning guns, let alone carrying a gun.

    I don’t have a problem requiring you are a citizen in good standing to purchase and own firearms. I strongly disagree with registration.

    You strongly express disagreement with the mental illness limitations contained in the law. I’m curious, what mental illnesses should be over looked in the consideration of being allowed to carry a gun?

    If a person is not eligible to get a CPL they are probably prohibited from owning firearms. This excludes being under 21 years old. If a person is prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms I don’t think they can legally OC.

    Lastly, you are a smart guy, name calling and insults don’t help get your point across, they only alienate people from you.

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    I am a ccw in Mich. and I realize I can open carry, The question is, can I also open carry in Ohio since they have reciprocity with Mich. ccw

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Dragon View Post
    I am a ccw in Mich. and I realize I can open carry, The question is, can I also open carry in Ohio since they have reciprocity with Mich. ccw
    You'll have to check if Ohio allows open-carry with a CCW permit.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Since you won't carry on a discussion (this constitutes a rant) and have resorted to name calling in each of your posts in this thread, you're right, "End of discussion."
    Observation isn't name-calling; they're useful idiots by any definition, as well as arrogant elitists.

    You're also the one name-calling me, via the word "rant;" I wasn't name-calling you, so shove it; but apparently this is one of those boards where you goobers all stick together and if anyone disagrees with one of you, he gets attacked by all.
    I was also carrying on a conversation just fine, but you seem to define disagreement as "ranting." That makes you a typical anal-retentive control-freak, dating back to toilet-training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradAnderson View Post
    Observation isn't name-calling; they're useful idiots by any definition, as well as arrogant elitists.

    You're also the one name-calling me, via the word "rant;" I wasn't name-calling you, so shove it; but apparently this is one of those boards where you goobers all stick together and if anyone disagrees with one of you, he gets attacked by all.
    I was also carrying on a conversation just fine, but you seem to define disagreement as "ranting." That makes you a typical anal-retentive control-freak, dating back to toilet-training.
    That was no conversation by any definition or distortion of the English language. Think about it just maybe when more than one person in a group takes note of these things and you do not, it could be time to go back and read your post and re think your methodology. In short you have been rude to any and all that have replied and have expressed opinions, reasoning, or ideas that do not precisely mesh with yours, and have insulted all.....

    I sure hope you handle yourself better than this out in public for if not you may one day run into a similar personality type on the opposite side of the discussion, resulting in the kind of thing that makes the evening news and I mean not in a good way.....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

  8. open carry

    im going to start open carry in the state of michigan i would rather let the person or persons who wants to rob me to think twice about doing soo bye the way i love this site!!!!!!

  9. #88
    Ok back on topic... Venator you should correct your original post.

    Quote Originally Posted by venator View Post
    PLACES off limits to firearms without a CPL: h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act (BAR).
    Someone added " (BAR)" which is true but misleading. You can't be on the premises of any bar, store or gas station that's licensed to sells liquor. Including their parking lots. Yes this law sucks but would hate to see anyone misled.

    John

  10. One problem:
    PRIVACY.

    The federal right of privacy includes the right to do anything privately, which you can also do publicly. Therefore, a CPL requirement for ANYTHING is a 9th (privacy) 14th Amendment (equal protection) violation. This requirement is also an ex post facto law, since it applies to people who are disqualified from CPL's for information discovered prior to its passage.

    But the state gets away with it because anyone who has the time or money to prosecute such a complaint, are those who can also afford to get CPL's.
    This is all just one more of a million examples of how the fed is a dictorship, and the states are all feudal fiefs.

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    ok i'll be honest i havnt read every single word of every post in here... so i dont know if this info is in here already...

    in regards to open carry on motorcycle...
    Mr. ,

    Unfortunately, Michigan law does not provide guidance on how to legally
    transport a pistol while traveling on a motorcycle. MCL 750.231a states
    if the motor vehicle (which includes a motorcycle) does not have a
    trunk, the pistol must be unloaded, in a closed case designed for the
    storage of firearms, and not readily accessible to the occupants. There
    are various arguments regarding whether or not a person could transport
    a pistol in or on a motorcycle and have it " not readily accessible to
    the occupant." I am not aware of any Michigan appellate court decisions
    regarding this issue. In instances such as this where the legality is
    not certain, I must recommend that you consult the advise of private
    legal counsel regarding this issue.

    Sincerely,

    Sergeant Aimee Maike
    Training and Standards Division
    Michigan State Police
    7426 N. Canal Road
    Lansing, MI 48913
    (517) 636-6031
    also for Illinois residents coming in here for info to open carry in MI please see below...

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/illin...-michigan.html

    in short Illinois residents can open carry in MI with the use of the Illinois FOID card... but no carry in vehicle...
    "Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it."
    "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." (Winston Churchill).

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