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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    there is one big flaw in his statement, the population of NYS is closer to 20 million, he can't arbitrarily ignore 40% of the states population because it doesn't make his statements look factual.
    The total population of NYS is about 19 million. However, we were discussing state permits, not NYC permits (post #16). NYC does not honor NYS permits and has its own permit system and laws. So NYS permits only apply to the 11 million people living outside of NYC. Sooooo, between 1 in 8 -or- 9 residents outside of NYC have a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    could you back this up with reliable data?
    Where is your response to the actual data? You called me out. You wanted it and I gave it. You can't acknowledge it can you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    Back on topic. Here is some proof open carry is allowed on (and in) state property:


    This is in the Michigan State Capitol.
    Awesome! I love the clear/see-through magazine....

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Awesome! I love the clear/see-through magazine....
    Ok, serious question what do you get out of walking around like that? I don’t see that the gun is positioned for self defense (maybe I’m wrong) so it wouldn’t be any good for that. So why do it? What does it accomplish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Dollar View Post
    Ok, serious question what do you get out of walking around like that? I donít see that the gun is positioned for self defense (maybe Iím wrong) so it wouldnít be any good for that. So why do it? What does it accomplish?
    What does it accomplish? It lets ordinary people know that "we the people" have the right to bear arms and that, if they want to, they can do it too. It also counteracts all the hype and propaganda about how terrible those so called assault rifles are when people see that folks can carry them around and ... gosh... nothing bad happens!

    One other positive is that it pisses off the anti gunners by showing them right there "in their faces" that they are not important enough to be in control of how the right to bear arms is exercised. Actually I kinda like this one since I find it humorous to watch an anti gunner get all red in the face and self importantly puff all up (or try to ridicule/insult on the internet) when faced with the undeniable proof... right there "in their faces".... they just are not as important as they think they are... and there are people who know just how unimportant that anti gunner really is. Kinda hurts their ego.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    One other positive is that it pisses off the anti gunners by showing them right there "in their faces" that they are not important enough to be in control of how the right to bear arms is exercised.

    That's the problem right there if you're walking around like that looking to piss people off (which is exactly what the antis say you guys are doing) then you will get a reaction and it just might be the reaction they got in California or the reaction they Got in Colorado when some Yo Yo started showing up at city council meeting with a shotgun, third time he did it the city banned open carry in city owned buildings.

    I don't necessarily agree with your other points but this one is going to cause some trouble sooner or later

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    One other positive is that it pisses off the anti gunners by showing them right there "in their faces" that they are not important enough to be in control of how the right to bear arms is exercised. Actually I kinda like this one since I find it humorous to watch an anti gunner get all red in the face and self importantly puff all up (or try to ridicule/insult on the internet) when faced with the undeniable proof... right there "in their faces".... they just are not as important as they think they are... and there are people who know just how unimportant that anti gunner really is. Kinda hurts their ego.
    We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, we don't take our trips on LSD. We don't burn our draft cards Down on Main Street. 'Cause we like livin' right and being free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    There should never be any "list" or "record" of who carries guns/has guns. I personally find the very idea of invading a person's privacy first by keeping a record of who has/carries guns and, even more egregious, making their names and addresses available to the general public.
    his local newspaper owned by gannet published the names and addresses of all the CCW permit holders in his county

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    The total population of NYS is about 19 million. However, we were discussing state permits, not NYC permits (post #16). NYC does not honor NYS permits and has its own permit system and laws. So NYS permits only apply to the 11 million people living outside of NYC.
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    Where is your response to the actual data? You called me out. You wanted it and I gave it. You can't acknowledge it can you?
    your actual data is skewed, you are ignoring 2/3 of the states population when you ignore NYC, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester couunties.
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Sooooo, between 1 in 8 -or- 9 residents outside of NYC have a permit.
    nice try but I will not let you get away with that deflection.
    you originally stated that 1 in 8 people in NYS have a concealed carry permit,
    I called BS on that fallacy now now your trying to qualify your inaccurate statement just will not fly.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    your actual data is skewed, you are ignoring 2/3 of the states population when you ignore NYC, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester couunties.
    Now wait a second he said there are different permit requirements in that part of NY so the numbers are going to skew no matter what
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    your actual data is skewed, you are ignoring 2/3 of the states population when you ignore NYC, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester couunties.

    nice try but I will not let you get away with that deflection.
    you originally stated that 1 in 8 people in NYS have a concealed carry permit,
    I called BS on that fallacy now now your trying to qualify your inaccurate statement just will not fly.
    Read post #16. We've been talking about NYS permits from the very start, not NYC. NYC has its own laws. State permits are not recognized by NYC. NYC permits are not recognized by NYS. Nowhere is NYC mentioned in my posts. NYC permits aren't included in the numbers, nor is the total NYC population. I'm 100% correct.
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    Once again, read post #16 below. We've been talking about NYS. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I call BS. NY accent? Give me a break. You know those damn people in NY... they all talk the same, act the same and espouse the same views. That's why 1 out of every 8 people in NYS has a CCW permit. What?
    I understand that you may not know the city has their own permit system and gun laws, separate from the state, thus we don't ever include them. One could see where you might think to include those hacks in our numbers so its an acceptable misunderstanding.
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    Regardless, one must concede NYS has 1.2 million state issued permits in 11 million residents. That's a lot of CCW permits. So, wouldn't it be safe to say that any state where 1 in 8 residents (of 11 million people) have a CCW permit is populated by pro-gun residents? I'm not qualifying my answer or framing it in any different light.
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    Its clear you don't like me, but that doesn't change the numbers. Some people maintain the perception that all the people of NYS are anti-gun. While the city is clearly anti-gun the state permit numbers show that outside of NYC the people are pretty much like anywhere else. They just don't have enough votes to change the legislative body along party lines. I also think this is coming to more states as large cities tend to be more democrat/liberal, and they're growing faster than the suburbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Awesome! I love the clear/see-through magazine....
    I love the fact that its a Sig Sauer.

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