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    When in a combat zone you keep your service weapon with you at all times with ammo. Well.............. we are in a war zone now on our own turf. I know some active duty who carry constantly. When in the crotch my buds and I made a pic that would make Poncho Villa envious. We were in barracks with personal firearms.

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    Exclamation Hey...I resemble that remark

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Nope, most of them are Doggies, Squids or Airedales. But I think many of them may be trainable even at that, lol.
    Hey...I resemble that remark...There are a lot of good people in the USAF but I'm not sure I would want them handling a loaded weapon under the wing of a KC-10 Tanker...Off duty...yup it's needed and should be just like Israel...If you are out and about you take your little buddy(weapon) with you.

    I can only hope for such a policy change...think about it this way crimes around the base would go down because no-one wants to get shot by a pissed off GI whose wife you just robbed/raped or home you ransacked/pillaged...
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    Hey...I resemble that remark...There are a lot of good people in the USAF but I'm not sure I would want them handling a loaded weapon under the wing of a KC-10 Tanker...Off duty...yup it's needed and should be just like Israel...If you are out and about you take your little buddy(weapon) with you.

    I can only hope for such a policy change...think about it this way crimes around the base would go down because no-one wants to get shot by a pissed off GI whose wife you just robbed/raped or home you ransacked/pillaged...
    Says one of the trainable.

    Seriously, I hope for such a policy change also.

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    Cool Pentagon ruling on guns.

    While I was in the service, I lived in government quarters with my family. I had firearms in my home but they were all registered in my company. It was illegal to CCW on post and I know of no facility that now allows it. In addition to the shooting at Ft. Hood, there has also been a shooting at Ft. Bliss. The shooter in this case was a retired Army sergeant and I dare say his carry there was illegal. Without a doubt, these shootings can be used by both sides in an argument for being able to carry on a military reservation or not. In this day and time, I feel more confortable with having my weapon with me. It is difficult to see where the good guys stop and the bad guys begin! If I happened to be in the Ft. Bliss area (across the river from Juarez, Mexico) you damn well better believe I would want my weapon with me. You don't get much closer to a war zone than there. Time only will tell the outcome of the Pentagon ruling but I wouldn't bet my money an the military ever letting CCW be approved.

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    Sorry to say, but if you don't have the professionalism, dedication and respect to be on Active Duty and not allowed to carry on base. You shouldn't be in the service. DOD is awash with Libs, has been since the early 80's. It's one of the reasons I got out after 12 yrs with the Navy.
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    "Sorry to say, but if you don't have the professionalism, dedication and respect to be on Active Duty and not allowed to carry on base. You shouldn't be in the service. DOD is awash with Libs, has been since the early 80's. It's one of the reasons I got out after 12 yrs with the Navy. "

    I was on active duty for many years and was as professional and dedicated as anyone. Professionalism and dedication have absolutely nothing to do with carrying a concealed weapon on post. I dealt with troops on a daily basis and can tell you from first-hand experience that not everyone in the military should have the opportunity to CCW. Not all personnel in the services are there as professionals. There are some great young people in the service today, as good as there has ever been, but there are some who are not so great and not prepared to be given that privilege. Maybe you should brush up on the history of street gangs having made their presence in the military now. Carte blanche permission to CCW on post now could create havoc and cause many deaths from gang warfare. I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment and the rights bestowed to me under it. However, with those rights come responsibilities incumbent upon us all. As for liberals being in DOD, they have been there since we have had a military. Look around man, they are all over the damned place. They didn't start in the 1980s, they were around when I was issued my first spear, sandals and shield. If you want to blame someone, blame society. Our society has deteriorated so far that plain savagery could be just around the corner. As for your service in the Navy, I thank you for that service and wish you well in all your civilian endeavors.

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    Carte blanche permission to CCW on post now could create havoc and cause many deaths from gang warfare.
    With most everyone armed do you really think some punk is going to try to start a gang war?

    I can agree some rules might be in order. Say 5 years good service, which should prevent the gangbangers from carrying. Or E-6 and above.
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    I myself you like to be able to CCW on post, but think it's a bad idea for most to do so. With almost 10 years of war we have let anyone willing to sign up do so. Some I have no idea why a sane person could even let some get past MEPS but they do. I don't like being down range with most because most do not even take care of their weapon, or leave ammo it their CHU becasue it is too heavy, or just point it where ever they please because it's just something they HAVE to carry. I have seen this with both my fellow NCO's and don't even get me started on officers, at least most of them don't even know how to use them. If they were to allow on post they should do a training course like they do for everything else, such as the motorcycle drivers training course for those who want to ride on post. You also have to remember that you do not have to even be an American citiazen to join the military you have to become one before you hit 10 years of service. Yes the service has gotten very Liberal, but hey we are run by our government. I have 19 years in myself and don't see it getting better for a while until we get back to basics and stop trying to please everyone and not hurt feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    With most everyone armed do you really think some punk is going to try to start a gang war?

    I can agree some rules might be in order. Say 5 years good service, which should prevent the gangbangers from carrying. Or E-6 and above.
    Having made E6 in 5 years, I would have supported that policy!

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    I do amend my post and agree it should be senior enlisted, E-5/6 or above. Although I don't think that CC is practical being in uniform. CC would be allowed if in civies.
    As for Gangs.......What kind of BS is that? I got out in 87-USN, maybe I was a bit sheltered being stationed at shore facilities. Although I did stand armed Master-at-Arms for duty. Lethal authority granted in writing by the CO's. I never heard of gangs in uniform. There were groups of "on the edge" partyers that dabbled in hard drugs, some alcohol incidents but I don't remember any gangs. DAM-There's that discipline thing again and the LIBs' with their touchy-feely counseling sheets crap. "We don't want to offend anyone". What kind of Manby-Panby Armed Forces are we allowing? A Kinder, Gentler maybe kill the enemy-maybe not Armed Forces. NOT the Navy I used to belong to. It started creeping that way after Nam in the late 70's and got really out of control, at least in the Navy in the early 80's. Once known as LEADERSHIP was transformed into Management. "You manage things, logistics. YOU LEAD people."
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