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Thread: Do you agree with pulling out of Afghanistan?

  1. #41
    Went through this in Vietnam. Difference is, that war was very winnable and should have been. This one, there's only one way to win it, and the repercussions would be enormous.
    That's another topic entirely.
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    I don't like to end a job before it's finished. however, in afg, we gave reached a point of diminishing return.

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    Bring 'em home and give them a job rounding up the illegals for deportation and then employ them on the borders to permanentally keep them out
    "Those who would trade liberty for security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MI .45 View Post
    Absolutely... it's not called "the graveyard of empires" for nothing!
    That's a good book by the way.
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    The reason I voted no is that we should blast all those idiots off the map before we leave then bring all our troops home. Iraq And Afghanistan have been nothing but another Vietnam. We didn't commit ourselves to winning it 100% and just like Nam were leaving w/o finishing the job.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom:209917
    First, before bringing home our troops, the Commander In Chief should make way for them to come home and find a job. He should deport the many illegals that are here in this country so our troops can be given a fair chance to go for those jobs that illegals have. THEN bring home our troops. Other Presidents before him had done it, he will be able to do it, if he want so. It is a need.
    Wow, through the many differences we've had on these forums I gotta say I couldn't agree with you more on this. Isn't it sad that drastic changes could happen in this country if common sense choices were made? I'm 29 years old and growing up in my teens I idolized construction workers because back then it was possible to make 20-30 dollars as a LABORER! I started laying concrete at 15 years old making 9 bucks an hour under the table. Now here we are 14 years later, inflation on everything since then and I'd be LUCKY to even get that same job and it'd still pay 9 bucks an hour. Why? Because why hire me at a livable wage when there's thousands out there without social security numbers who will do the same job for less, no benefits and tax free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firelooker View Post
    The reason I voted no is that we should blast all those idiots off the map before we leave then bring all our troops home. Iraq And Afghanistan have been nothing but another Vietnam. We didn't commit ourselves to winning it 100% and just like Nam were leaving w/o finishing the job.
    The issue with victory, is that it was never truly defined. There is a broad goal, but no clear destination at which we would declare victory.

    We got Bin Laden(I guess) but that was only the initial goal, along with ousting the Taliban. This mission quickly transformed into nation building, for we can't go phuck up somebody's homeland and not try to leave it a better place than we found it. This, is usually a task that won't be accomplished.

    We are fighting the war on terror, which is really the war on an ideology... islam. You see, here's the thing about fighting a belief driven enemy... they can't be defeated. Ideas last forever, words travel faster than our bullets, and they have an even more dramatic effect.

    We could go in, guns blazing, drop napalm and nukes, maybe even some bio... wipe out hundreds of thousands of people. Want to know what that'll actually accomplish? Spreading the hate for America, stregthening the resolve of the enemy, ailienating our own military(war is poison to men), and doing nothing towards absolute victory.

    If we learn anything from history, it should be that a large, organized, well trained military fighting for political reasons(yeah, it is) will never defeat a small, ruthless, devoted, tough, ideologically based enemy fighting on and for his land. I'm a student of history, military history to be exact. History will always repeat itself.

    In Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh said "You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it." This proved to be true didn't it?

    There's an Afghani saying, "they have all the watches, but we have all the time". I take this to heart, for it is absolutely true. It is true b/c they fight with not only small arms, IEDs, RPGs, and terror... but with an idea, one that is stronger than ours I'm afraid.

    While we are quick to insult them, we need to respect them. I didn't think much of them either, but my ignorance has fled me regarding that belief. I do not like them, in fact I think I hate them... but I do respect them.

    All those that fail to respect their enemy will no doubt be defeated by his own ignorance and arrogance.

    Too many mistakes were made, and realized too late to be fixed. Our stategy was poor at times, and our tactics off center of the goal. There is no supreme victory to be had, and to leave with honor can only be done if we do it timely. It breaks my heart to know so many of my fellow brothers and sisters in arms gave the ultimate sacrifice, without victory to be had...

    But that doesn't mean we need to let more die for the same reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom View Post
    First, before bringing home our troops, the Commander In Chief should make way for them to come home and find a job. He should deport the many illegals that are here in this country so our troops can be given a fair chance to go for those jobs that illegals have. THEN bring home our troops. Other Presidents before him had done it, he will be able to do it, if he want so. It is a need.
    Great thoughts Mom and I agree 100%. But we all know this president is not really interested in doing whats best for America. He only does what's best for his voting base and his reelection possibilities. In order to do what you suggest he would first have to grow a set and tell his demagogueing minions to suck it up and deal. And we all know that will never happen.
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    News Flash! All the US troop withdraw, locals bomb the snot out of each other. News at 11.

    Did anyone NOT see this coming? As soon as the US influence is removed the Taliban starts a bombing campaign in an attempt to reinstall it's authority in the region.

    We need to move all friendlies out and use the region as a weapons test site. After it's all over pave it over and build solar collectors and wind generator facilities.

    Or we could just turn it over the the Israelis and tell them to "have at it!".
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    Well I admit you do make sense, so what's the answer? sit back and do nothing? Join them in their ideology? Convert to Islam (Obviously that doesn't work they're bombing and killing other Muslims), Just let them do another 9-11?

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