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    Quote Originally Posted by jcreek View Post
    I've been in for 3 years now and have never seen any of this.
    That's because it is just some FUD posted to rile up local yokels here.

    Still hasn't cited a source. Probably because it either doesn't exist or is embarrassingly lacking in credibility - like he's just making this shyt up.

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    yeah lets all fight regardless of the fact that the bible torah and qran all say the same thing. looks like obama managed to do what he set out to do...divide the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwimby View Post
    That's because it is just some FUD posted to rile up local yokels here.

    Still hasn't cited a source. Probably because it either doesn't exist or is embarrassingly lacking in credibility - like he's just making this shyt up.
    looks like the pot is calling the kettle black again. shame on you boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcreek View Post
    I've been in for 3 years now and have never seen any of this. Other than wedding rings, the only jewelry allowed to be worn in basic was a religious chain (crucifix, rosary, Star of David) and if somebody told you to take it off, they were quick to reprimand that person. I support everybody's right to express their religion, but that doesn't mean I want to be proselytized to constantly. I have my own set of beliefs and I don't need you harassing me with yours constantly. Being told, you can't have a bible on your desk is ridiculous. Being told you can't walk around trying to convert people while in the military is not.
    Must make it interesting for the chaplains huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwimby View Post
    Nor a Bible. But that's not the issue. The issue is the arrogantly self-righteous evangelicals being compelled to spread their version of religion to everyone in sight, in person, online or anywhere else.

    They need to mind their own business or their arse is out.

    You think Christians deserve more rights for protecting their POV than anyone else?
    Now kwimby...go back and read your own post. Now who is being arrogantly self righteous. There is only universal truth and moral law. Can be only one. If there can be many then you need to obey my moral truth and come wash my car. Also bring all your stuff to me so I don't have to come and take it. My moral truth says I can beat you down and steal everything you own. There are not 2 or 3 or even 4. Only one...and guess what...it is not yours. You probably would not recognize the virtue and reasoning behind a moral law if it bit you on the ass. BTW that goes for everyone else on this forum that holds the values (or lack there of) that kwimby holds. Evangelicals are not forcing you to believe anything...we are saying don't force us to believe that 2 dudes having anal sex should be sanctioned in a church. Do you know what I mean kwimby...if not get that thing out of you mouth and ask what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosreme View Post
    The military "war on religion" is nothing more than a standard and predictable--and completely fictional--rallying slogan.
    Just to quote one of the few bits of succinctly accurate information in this thread so far.

    Thanks for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwimby View Post
    Nor a Bible. But that's not the issue. The issue is the arrogantly self-righteous evangelicals being compelled to spread their version of religion to everyone in sight, in person, online or anywhere else.

    They need to mind their own business or their arse is out.

    You think Christians deserve more rights for protecting their POV than anyone else?
    Kwimby: I am a Christian and when a religious discussion arises, I consider that to be part of my business. I don't consider myself to be an arrogant, self-righteous evangelical who is compelled to spread my version of religion to everyone insight. On the contrary, I have been taught to show my religion by example, not just standing out and "Bible thumping." Generally, I don't like to have "disagreements" online or any where else. I much prefer discussions where one has the opportunity to express themselves and their beliefs in a calm manner without getting into a gunfight. I do not believe that Christians have more right to their belief than anyone else but, I do believe that, as long as my belief does no harm to anyone else, I should have the right to express it. That, however, is no longer the case and preference is/has been given to Muslims which is indicative how Islam is spreading through our country. Could it be that our POTUS is a Muslim? He denies it but I personally think different. That is a major contributor to our problems. If you don't believe in God, that's OK. I will not be the one to judge you for your decision. Contrary to your opinion, I believe there is someone who will, in your future, but that is something you will have to settle with Him, not me. There has been enough written on these forums that everyone who reads them is aware of God and the Bible and some believe while others don't. That is one's personal choice and, if what we have been writing is true, there will be a lot of people "weeping and gnashing their teeth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosreme View Post
    Atheist with strong moral compass and values here. Doing good does not require any religion at all. Nor does being christian assure goodness. (History is replete with amoral acts perpetrated by christians, often in the name of christianity). How about something novel: live and let live...respect the morals and values that lead to not bothering those who want to be left alone--and to keeping religion out of schools, science, medicine, and government.
    nosreme: I have always given you credit in your claim to be an atheist because you have always presented yourself as having made a conscious decision based on what you have personally experienced in life. I will disagree with you somewhat on your statement that doing good does not require any religion. If it wasn't for religion, on what would you base the goodness of your action? You would obviously have to have some moral standard to determine what is good or bad. There have been many amoral acts by those who profess to be Christian and other religions. It isn't necessarily the religion that is bad, more those who commit the amoral acts in the name of religion. One thing I have learned through reading about our government and religion is that there has always been an intended biblical function of civil government and, consequently, we have always been considered a Christian nation (which has been verified through Supreme Court decisions). Our loss of biblical functions has caused us to lay aside our God-ordained responsibilities in the family, churches and schools. This has resulted in a civil government which is continually growing and takes on responsibilities reserved for us at the expense of loss of freedoms. Civil government will then tyrannize and exploit us through the use of laws never meant to be used by those we have elected. Today is a great example of how that is and has happened. God, the person in which you do not believe, has defined the limits of our government and, by ignoring Him, we have lost our moral headings. I have said all that to only say that there is no way you can keep God and religion out of schools, science, medicine and government. Other than that, I still respect your decision to not believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nosreme View Post
    Atheist with strong moral compass and values here. Doing good does not require any religion at all. Nor does being christian assure goodness. (History is replete with amoral acts perpetrated by christians, often in the name of christianity). How about something novel: live and let live...respect the morals and values that lead to not bothering those who want to be left alone--and to keeping religion out of schools, science, medicine, and government.
    I will disagree with you somewhat on your statement that doing good does not require any religion. If it wasn't for religion, on what would you base the goodness of your action? You would obviously have to have some moral standard to determine what is good or bad.
    I'm sorry, did you really just say, in your own words, that without religion you can't be a good person?

    Damn, I guess Mark Twain, Thomas Edison, Stephen Hawking, Sigmund Freud, Marie Curie, and thousands of other scientists, philanthropists, and all around good people must've actually been total ******** then.

    A moral compass in no way relies upon the belief in some mythical deity. Yes, some people get it from that, but to say that your faith is the only possible thing to base your morals on is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. The bible has some good lessons I it, I'm one of the few atheists I know that have read the thing from cover to cover. But IMO, believing everything you read in in the bible because somebody said to, is like believing everything you read on the Internet.

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    nosreme: If it isn't already obvious, I am neither a legal scholar nor a theologian. I am a Christian who struggles in a world which is becoming more godless and rapidly deteriorating (at least in my opinion) with each passing day. I was always complacent, like most people today, and never really took notice of what has been happening
    to our country. I had an epiphany of sorts I guess that awakened me to just how evil and corrupt we have become in our forms of government and daily lives within the general populace. We, as a people, have lost all moral bearings, which I personally attribute to the elimination of God in our lives, and are living contrary to the will of God.
    I have never found belief in God to be difficult. I take the Bible for what it says, and yes, Levitical laws as in the Old Testament. Those were tough laws and would have
    definitely been a test of one's belief and character. When Jesus Christ came on the scene, those laws were negated to a point and he became our Savior and took our
    sins upon Himself. I find all of this so easy to believe for several reasons. It was all prophesized in the Bible; the prophecies of the Bible are coming true; everything happening today is part of the prophecies which are being proven; and given the accuracy of the Bible thus far, I can not disbelieve in a God who has authored a book that has so changed the world. It's power is so strong that it and God are being fought by evil which will never triumph. Your mention of being punished by hellfire is only a consequence
    of refusing to accept God, a decision given to you by His gift of free will. The only one condemning one to hell is that person only, the person made the choice and God
    allowed it. nosreme, it is apparent that you are a well educated man and probably made many scholarly achievements in your career. Have you ever considered that maybe you have let your education blind you to something so easily discerned? Anyway, I do enjoy chatting with you and don't mind getting my chimes dinged if you disagree with me. And again, I respect you for your decision.

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