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  1. And I wonder why more people haven't raised this issue with those who might be in a position to change it?

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by kwc View Post
    I wasn't there, so I'll just have to take your word for it.

    Without a doubt, good training and a willingness to fight can go a long way toward mitigating such risks. However, there is still significant disparity of force, and a personal firearm can help in many situations.

    Sgt. Ray seemed to think it would have helped:

    https://www.nranews.com/series/ginny...itary-disarmed
    I think that there is a difference between cowardice and the very powerful sense of a survival instinct. When faced with overwhelming force it doesn't matter how brave you are some times to attack in such cases is foolhardy. I agree that in a case of such significant disparity of force a personal firearm can help level the playing field so to speak. We must remember that a gun is a force multiplier. One man with a gun can inflict much damage. If those attacked at Fort Hood had been armed I would go so far as to say that not only would the casualties been significantly lower but the attacker might have gone and sought other more softer targets. Most people who commit such violence operate from a low risk, high rewards viewpoint. Except for the ones who are truly insane and there is no stopping those, unless of course you're armed.

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    Back when I was in, people in general didn't carry - CC was still pretty restricted most everywhere. It just wasn't "a thing".

    Today, the restrictions most likely persist because of control. In many ways the military mirrors the nanny state. Alcohol bad - it's been deglamorized and demonized. No more stag bars, no beer calls. Smoking - bad, so there's little place those who choose to do so can. Girly mags - bad. Banished. The food that troops want to eat - bad. Now the chow halls serve quinoa salads.

    I am heartened to see some glacial movement in the right direction - AF and its very limited carry policy, better recognition of LEOSA carry on bases, and in the case of at least one air base, permission to keep handgun secured in car when entering the base ( if you have a CC permit, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    Back when I was in, people in general didn't carry - CC was still pretty restricted most everywhere. It just wasn't "a thing"....
    Same here. I was in the Navy and Naval Reserve from 1970-1995, and no one was discussing carrying on bases. The only "issue" that came up was that one of my Reserve shipmates was a police officer so he carried a gun on his ankle when he was attending our monthly drills in his Navy uniform. It wasn't a problem, just a topic in passing.

    Whatever shooting I did during that time was at the base range using their guns, not my own. The main reason was money--their guns, ammo and range were free.

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    Recently the USAF has sanctioned a program in which personnel can carry guns on base. It has already been put into effect on Dover AFB. in Delaware.

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    Why can't military members carry personal weapons on bases?

    Quote Originally Posted by SR9 View Post
    Recently the USAF has sanctioned a program in which personnel can carry guns on base. It has already been put into effect on Dover AFB. in Delaware.
    See my post #7 above. It only applies to law enforcement (including LEOSA) and security forces augmentees, and only at the discretion of the installation commander.

    The AF went full-court press on this and unless you read and understand the extreme limitations that remain, the headlines are very misleading.

    Most of us will never benefit directly from any of the 3 programs; overall security posture will improve minimally.

  8. I had a conversation with some of my shipmates today, a couple of whom were senior ranking individuals who had been in for a good length of time. They seemed to indicate that due to the extreme stress associated with being a member of the military the reason we should not be allowed to carry personal weapons on bases is because next thing you know we'll be carting them on board ship and shooting our Chief because we don't want to stand duty or go underway, etc. I was flabbergasted. These are guys with close to 20 years active duty and they are showing a profound lack of trust in the men and women they are in charge of. Listening to them you would think our military is comprised of highly unstable people incapable of responsible handing of weapons. Does the public at large share this view? Are we trusted that little? Heck if our leaders within the military expect to go postal on our fellow sailors, marines, airmen, soldiers, etc what hope do we have of the public trusting us? I couldn't help but wonder if this attitude prevailed outside the military and that's why our civilians leaders don't expect us to be able to comport ourselves with dignity and restraint.

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    Howdy,

    You must not have read the article because this applies the LEO and security personnel only.

    Joeshitte the Ragman can NOT strap on a hogleg and walk around base with it flappin' in the wind.

    Besides, there's a Federal Law that states Jo one except federally authorized personnel can carry a firearm of on US Gov't property.

    Heck, I'm a Federal Gov't employee that in the past has carried a badge and pistol for Uncle Sam, Combat Veteran, discharged my weapon on 26 different occasions in the line of duty, have a CCW permit, but since I'm no longer authorized by US to carry a firearm ( I no longer work in LE.) as I sit here in my Gov't issue chair, in my Gov't issued office, as I post this on my Gov't issued iPhone 6, I could be fired and arrested if I had a firearm on or about my person.

    Sad but true.

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,

    You must not have read the article because this applies the LEO and security personnel only.
    That's what I thought, too, that it was limited to them and the "Marshals". It also stated that it wasn't a new policy but only recently implemented. Also, they can only carry when in a duty status. The article's headline and lead were rather misleading.

    Joeshitte the Ragman can NOT strap on a hogleg and walk around base with it flappin' in the wind.

    Besides, there's a Federal Law that states Jo one except federally authorized personnel can carry a firearm of on US Gov't property.

    Heck, I'm a Federal Gov't employee that in the past has carried a badge and pistol for Uncle Sam, Combat Veteran, discharged my weapon on 26 different occasions in the line of duty, have a CCW permit, but since I'm no longer authorized by US to carry a firearm ( I no longer work in LE.) as I sit here in my Gov't issue chair, in my Gov't issued office, as I post this on my Gov't issued iPhone 6, I could be fired and arrested if I had a firearm on or about my person.

    Sad but true.

    Paul
    I hope that you're posting this on your lunch hour and not during your government work hours. ;)

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