Sheriff investigating death of Missouri man in gun class
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    Sheriff investigating death of Missouri man in gun class

    SPRINGFIELD | Questions are being raised after a man died in a class that is required to obtain a concealed weapons permit in Missouri.

    Sixty-three-year-old Glenn Seymour accidentally shot himself in the chest earlier this month in Douglas County while trying a new technique with a weapon he wasn’t familiar with using.

    Douglas County Sheriff Chris Degase is looking into whether what he was learning was appropriate for a class that often includes people with little to no training.

    The Springfield News-Leader reported that Seymour was right-handed, but was practicing drawing a semiautomatic 9 mm handgun with his left hand, taking the safety off and shooting.

    That skill is not required to get a concealed weapons permit in Missouri.

    Instructor Paul Richard Williams called Seymour’s death a “tragic accident.”

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    There were absolutely no loaded firearms in the classroom part of our class. When firing only five at a time were on line. Someone's butt will get chewed over this one. Weak side firing practice has no place in a classroom.

  5. Agreed. Drawing from a holster has no place in class or qualification. Most ranges don't even allow it. How do you get shot in the chest doing that? Ricochet? On out qualification we didn't even use our own guns and we had 1 instructor per 2 people shooting.

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    Sounds like a bunch of "good old boys" having a friemdly CCW class with a numbnuts instructor. That idiot should be indicted for manslaughter or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRA UR2 View Post
    Sounds like a bunch of "good old boys" having a friemdly CCW class with a numbnuts instructor. That idiot should be indicted for manslaughter or worse.
    Come on..... The guy shot himself.
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    In my opinion the instructor should have been more 'on top of it'. When I had my training loaded guns were absolutely forbidden except on the range and even then only when the instructor told you to load were you allowed to. This was a tragiic incident that could have easily been prevented. To me the term accident implies that there was nothing that could have prevented what happened. In this case 'a poor choice' might be a better term because it could have been prevented. Just my honest opinion.

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    It said during the CWP class but in SC part of the class is range firing so was he in the classroom or at the range. Does the CWP class in MO include range fire or is it just classroom? Either way it was dumb to be trying something like that with live ammo and the instructor should have known better but to blame the instructor for the stupidity of a 63 year old man just shows what has happened to the US where we always want to blame someone else for our stupidity. Just like the little boy in NH(?) that was killed while firing an automatic rifle with his father helping him. Lock the promoter up and throw away the key.

  10. I just don't understand the foolishness of some LEOs and their knee-jerk reactions. There is absolutely nothing to investigate. The individual failed to follow basic safety protocols and pointed a firearm at himself which resulted in his death.

    This is starting to look no different than if someone takes up a new workout technique they've found somewhere and get hurt using it. They did so knowing the risks and did so knowing that it may/is an advanced technique they may need more experience with prior to using it. Self-responsibility folks, that's where this should be sitting right now.

    Fact is, the death is tragic. What we all learn or reinforce from this incident is what is vital at this point.

    Treat EVERY firearm as if it were loaded, even if it's a non-lethal type.
    Muzzle pointed down range at ALL times.
    Unloaded until ready for use.
    Finger out of the trigger until ready to shoot.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by -06 View Post
    There were absolutely no loaded firearms in the classroom part of our class. When firing only five at a time were on line. Someone's butt will get chewed over this one. Weak side firing practice has no place in a classroom.
    Really? The military says one thing: Fight like you train.
    And you will fight exactly how you've trained because that's what your brain has been conditioned to do.

    Guess what that means. If you're not learning or self-teaching how to properly shoot weak hand, you'll not have the skill set to respond weak hand should you need it in a survival (life threatening) scenario. You'd then stand a very high potential to be a victim because a failure to train on the skill set took you out of the fight.

    But, like I've said below, if this winds up being a loaded firearm in the classroom then there's a HUGE issue. But, as I say below there's nothing indicating this was a classroom incident or a non-range related incident.


    Santa,

    Nothing in the media thus far indicates that this was not a range activity related incident. If it's directly related to the classroom and not the range, then there's a HUGE issue and my previous post on the matter will be redacted. If it's range related then the instructor shouldn't be held at fault. Being more "on top of it" is a farce. Why? Because an instructor makes corrections for issues that are already in progress, which means they are reactive more than proactive. It's up to the individual to follow safety protocols like muzzles down range and believe me, an incident like this can transpire in a split-second. The example of just how fast would be the murder-suicide a while back (not in Mo.) where the mother went on the range with her son (she was known to have mental problems) and shot him then herself. The video showed this occurred in 3-4 seconds roughly. So you're statement would indicate that the range staff should have been "more on top of it", which really isn't the issue.

    Here's that video:

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