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    Hello everyone. I'm a new poster on this forum from Saratoga county. I've had trouble answering this question for myself doing research, so I figure I'd ask here.

    I am currently in the process of obtaining my pistol license in Saratoga county. I am basically waiting for background checks to complete at this point; my paperwork is handed in, my fingerprints have been taken, and I have completed the required safety course.

    I walked into a local gun store this afternoon to shop. I have already purchased a handgun that I entered on my initial paperwork, but I am looking for another that I can add shortly after I finally get the license in the mail. I found one I liked, and asked the employee of the shop if I could take a look at one of the guns in the case. He informed me that he could let me look at it out of the case, but I could not handle it, and that it is a misdemeanor in NY state for me to handle the firearm. He also said that if I brought in proof that my pistol permit application had been submitted, that I could then handle it in the store.

    I have done a lot of research trying to find information on this to no avail. The other gun store I visited let me handle the pistols I was interested in purchasing for my permit without question. I understand that in NY you must be licensed to possess a particular firearm, but does that truly apply to pre-purchase handling? If that is the case, how am I supposed to tell if the gun I was interested in is something I would buy if I cannot handle it? I also don't see the correlation between me having a permit (or proof that I submitted an application to get a permit) and being able to handle the pistols in the case, as I am *still* not licensed to possess that particular firearm.

    I am beginning to think the employee was just jerking me around (this place has a reputation for poor customer service unless you are in the armed forces or an LEO). If anyone cares to shed some light on this, it'd be much appreciated.

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    I don't believe I'd be doing business with that store anymore.
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    That's pretty hardcore.

    The last firearm I decided to buy they not only let me handle it, they let me do a detail teardown and clean it. I lubed it up well as I was putting it in layaway.

    Now, I'm from Michigan and we do things differently, but I can't imagine that kind of restriction.

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    That's pretty much the norm down here in Ulster County. No permit, no handling the guns. They will not sell you ammo or anything. If you have a permit, some stores will not sell you ammo if a particular caliber is not listed on your permit. There was a great deal on 40 S&W at the local walmart, and the employee refused to sell as I had not yet purchased the firearm, so it was not listed on my permit.

    He then proceeded to tell me that we should need notarized forms to buy ammo swearing we would not give the ammo to anybody else. I informed him he was extremely uninformed and gave him by business card. Hopefully I can make a convert out of him yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sights on Target View Post
    That's pretty much the norm down here in Ulster County. No permit, no handling the guns. They will not sell you ammo or anything. If you have a permit, some stores will not sell you ammo if a particular caliber is not listed on your permit. There was a great deal on 40 S&W at the local walmart, and the employee refused to sell as I had not yet purchased the firearm, so it was not listed on my permit.

    He then proceeded to tell me that we should need notarized forms to buy ammo swearing we would not give the ammo to anybody else. I informed him he was extremely uninformed and gave him by business card. Hopefully I can make a convert out of him yet!
    I thought things were bad here in PRHI. They tried passing a law that would restrict ammo sales, but it didn't get very far.



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    Pretty much like that in Jefferson county

  8. Okay, so we've established that there are similar rules in other counties. Now, does anyone know if this is really a misdemeanor in NY state? That's the part that made me angry. It's fine if you don't want me to handle the gun because I don't yet have my license, but don't lie to me and tell me it's against the law. I'd have rather him tell me it's company policy.

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    When I see a post like this it makes me wonder what country we are in?! I have to pinch myself to see if I'm dreaming. This is the USA, right? The fact that you have to have a permit from the government to even own a gun is amazing to me. I guess to the shop owner you're not a legitimate customer until he sees that nanny state permission slip. So he figures why should he let you deposit your oils and salts on the firearm? Why don't you vote with your feet and move to a more liberal jurisdiction? I'd suggest Texas as your best bet but PA isn't as far and it is still better than that. And in case anyone thinks I mis-spoke, I meant "more liberal". What we call Liberals are not liberals at all - but fascists - it's just not fashionable to wear the arm band any more.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by sircodealot View Post
    Okay, so we've established that there are similar rules in other counties. Now, does anyone know if this is really a misdemeanor in NY state? That's the part that made me angry. It's fine if you don't want me to handle the gun because I don't yet have my license, but don't lie to me and tell me it's against the law. I'd have rather him tell me it's company policy.
    If you do not have your permit yet then technically they could be held liable and lose their license for selling firearms for allowing you to handle one of their guns. You on the other-hand can go to jail for handling a firearm in NYS without a permit. I dont know of any Show Me Your Papers Loophole on this law though. I have only seen places like Gander MTN go out of their way to not allow you to handle a pistol if you tell them that you are in the process of getting your permit. I say F*CK GM anyway, so take your business elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sircodealot View Post
    Hello everyone. I'm a new poster on this forum from Saratoga county. I've had trouble answering this question for myself doing research, so I figure I'd ask here.

    I am currently in the process of obtaining my pistol license in Saratoga county. I am basically waiting for background checks to complete at this point; my paperwork is handed in, my fingerprints have been taken, and I have completed the required safety course.

    I walked into a local gun store this afternoon to shop. I have already purchased a handgun that I entered on my initial paperwork, but I am looking for another that I can add shortly after I finally get the license in the mail. I found one I liked, and asked the employee of the shop if I could take a look at one of the guns in the case. He informed me that he could let me look at it out of the case, but I could not handle it, and that it is a misdemeanor in NY state for me to handle the firearm. He also said that if I brought in proof that my pistol permit application had been submitted, that I could then handle it in the store.

    I have done a lot of research trying to find information on this to no avail. The other gun store I visited let me handle the pistols I was interested in purchasing for my permit without question. I understand that in NY you must be licensed to possess a particular firearm, but does that truly apply to pre-purchase handling? If that is the case, how am I supposed to tell if the gun I was interested in is something I would buy if I cannot handle it? I also don't see the correlation between me having a permit (or proof that I submitted an application to get a permit) and being able to handle the pistols in the case, as I am *still* not licensed to possess that particular firearm.

    I am beginning to think the employee was just jerking me around (this place has a reputation for poor customer service unless you are in the armed forces or an LEO). If anyone cares to shed some light on this, it'd be much appreciated.
    I am from Saratoga and have had my permit for more than 2 yrs. now. I've been to most of the gun shops in the Capital Region and looked at/handled guns i've been interested in. I've never had that happen. I remember from the training class that it was technically illegal to handle (shoot/carry) another persons gun
    that isn't on your permit. Regardless i've never had a sales person at a gunshop pull that on me yet, and i'm a fairly young guy, and look younger than i actually am so i'd figure i might run into something like this. I'm curious to know what shop it was if you wouldnt mind pm'ing me. I've purchased 7 different handguns from different shops in the area from the small to the big stores. Sounds like the sales guy was jerkin you around.

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