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  1. Quote Originally Posted by PFC WEBB View Post
    Hello gents, I've been reading this thread over the last months, and it has been very useful in my understanding of the process. Unfortunately I today received a letter of denial from Kathleen C. Hochul. My timeline is as follows.

    October 2009 - Applied

    April 2010 - References Contacted

    May 2010 - Interview

    July 21, 2010 - Denial

    The Hon. M. William Boller states the reason for denial as: "The information received as the result of an investigation conducted by the Erie County Sheriff's Department and their subsequent recommendation for denial."

    I have a clean record, military service, 2 years as a security guard, desire to be an armed guard, go hunting, and am a memeber of a range. What in the heck did they deny me on? I have a valid Florida license which is now no good to me whatsoever. Thoughts? Advice? I'm all ears gentlemen.
    Something was in your backround that didn't go well.Could be a prior history with police in the area.If you were involved in a call that involved the police.It is known that police records are checked in the county that you live in and if you have a habit of calling and known as a s#@*stirer your chances are not good.

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  3. Hmmm. Well, I've since talked to a lawyer and he thinks it's because I and many of my references are 21. I'm fighting it. Updates as available.

  4. I applied in Sep 09 and still nothing. No contact from PD and refs not checked. I live in the city if that matters. I can't help but wonder why the system is set up like this. Making people with no arrest record wait seems foolish. What a waste of tax payer funds.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by PFC WEBB View Post
    Hmmm. Well, I've since talked to a lawyer and he thinks it's because I and many of my references are 21. I'm fighting it. Updates as available.
    Once denied in New York it becomes almost impossible unless you hire an attorney.Your age is 21,I worked with cops that were only 21 so I doubt that is cause to deny you a handgun permit.You stated you had a permit from Florida so you passed the FBI backround check.The New York backround conducted by many of the counties is just like you were applying to become a police officer.Field reports are checked, like I said it could be a incident that you were involved in that left a bad taste with the investigator.Any of your references have a criminal history.The judge denied you based on the P.D. backround.Your neighborhood may also be checked anything negative is good reason for them to suggest that you be denied.

  6. I'm a new applicant for CCW sportsman (target/hunting) permit. I seems they've made some positive improvements to the process, one of which being the electronic fingerprints. I applied in June 2010, and my references were called in early August. I went in for an interview with the East Aurora Police Department about a week later. The interviewing Officer (going to omit names here...) said there were no 'red flags' he saw that would prevent me from getting my permit, and that it would probably be another month or two for final approval from a judge. It was encouraging to hear 'start shopping' from an Officer. It took one of my references who did get his permit about 8 months before he was even called in for an interview, ect. I guess I'm waiting for either a phone call from the pistol department downtown or something in the mail. I'm optimistic, but have heard some real horror stories so I'm trying not to get too excited.

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    The Bottom Line on Erie County Pistol Permits

    Kathy Hochul and Will Fowler have made several improvements to their process starting in January 2010
    They are continuing to make even more:
    Satellite presence and the Hamburg Gun shows.
    Starting September 2010, they will now take your ID Photo at the beginning of the process thus eliminating the 3 to 6 week delay from the time you receive you letter.

    The major part of the delay was the time it took to send paper fingerprints and get a response from Albany.
    This has been reduced from 3 to 4 months to 2 to 3 weeks.
    Once this is complete the packets are sent to your town's police agency . The office used to package and send them monthly, they are now doing it weekly.

    Some town police agency's turn these around quickly, and others can take up to 1 year.
    The police background turn around is the major part of the delay as of August 2010 and will continue to be so.

    Bottom line:

    If you submitted your application with paper fingerprint cards prior to January 2010, depending on the police department of your town,
    You will wait between 6 and 14 months
    If you submitted electronic fingerprints after January 2010, your will wait between 4 and 12 months
    If you submit your application after September 1, 2010 and get your ID Photo taken at the beginning, your wait time will be between 3 and 11 months,

    Your wait time for the processes that the Erie County Clerks office has directly under their control has been improved from 204 days for people prior to Jan 2010 to 91 days prior to Sept 1, 2010 and will be 70 days after Sept 2010.
    For those that live in area's where the police background check are done by slow and inefficient management, your wait time can only improve by 130 days.

    Important tip to improve the delay by slow and inefficient police management:

    As soon as you know that your background check has begun, contact all of your references and ask them to expedite their answers. Return the questionnaire in mail, return phone calls..
    There have been instances where one of the references has been missed by an investigator and the packet returned incomplete causing yet more delay.
    There are cases where return phone calls to the sheriff department are never replied to and the packet is returned incomplete.

    Once the packet is complete it goes to a supervisor or Police Chief who then has to sign off, the packet then has to be returned to the downtown office. This can cause a delay due to inefficient management.
    After your initial contact call the police agency and inquire on the status of your investigation after 2 weeks.

    It is my belief that the Pistol Permit office is doing everything they can to expedite the process. Calling and blaming them is non productive.
    Through improvements in technology and equipment the clerk’s office has trimmed 130 days or 4 months off
    the process. Depending on the attitude and efficiency of your investigating police department, the background check process will take between 2 weeks to 1 year.
    If you have a Police Chief, don’t hesitate to call. He works for you.
    If you have an elected official like the Erie County Sheriff remember your experience on Election Day.

    Although the Elected Sheriff may not be the cause, the Patrol Captain or the officer is the ultimate responsible party and they both work for the sheriff, hold these public service people accountable.

    NOTE: by attitude I mean the individual prejudices of the officer, or his commander. An experienced Police officer knows that pistol permit holders are by definition the most law abiding citizens in the county. A rookie just out of college doesn't have a clue and is still learning that the marxist sociology crap he was taught by his college professors is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golocx4 View Post

    NOTE: by attitude I mean the individual prejudices of the officer, or his commander. An experienced Police officer knows that pistol permit holders are by definition the most law abiding citizens in the county. A rookie just out of college doesn't have a clue and is still learning that the marxist sociology crap he was taught by his college professors is crap.
    What dictionary has that definition?

    And what does an economic philosophy have to do with rookie LEO's? In Amherst, background checks are assigned to a senior detective, not a rookie. I would imagine that is also true in other jurisdictions. Pistol permit background checking is a cake job compared to what rookies are assigned.

    And even if a rookie was assigned to background checks, I doubt he or she would be analyzing the many aspects of the economic systems of socialism and capitalism as they tried to find out whether someone is too stupid to own a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    And even if a rookie was assigned to background checks, I doubt he or she would be analyzing the many aspects of the economic systems of socialism and capitalism as they tried to find out whether someone is too stupid to own a gun.
    I'm talking about their attitude on gun control. The kid that did my background was real young. (rookie) unless they allow these guys to go on the job at 16.
    Background checks are fill in work particularly for permits.
    Been there done that.

  10. #239
    Don't have exact date, but submitted my application for my permit in July '09.

    Received my permit in the mail August 21, 2010.

    Good luck all! I sure hope they are improving things!

  11. SCOPE says it's all good now because Will Fowler told them so. I bet anyone who apllies for a hunting/target permit today will have it in 12 months instead of the usual 18 months or more. Note that an FBI background check takes less than 15 minutes. Indeedy.

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