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    Quote Originally Posted by JimTh View Post
    Virginia default position is that citizens are trusted to exercise their God given rights with care.
    Unless you want to go to a restaurant or have a beer. Off limits are bars or restaurants serving alcoholic beverages and places of worship during religious service. THAT, is gun control at it's worst. I'll take the mag restriction of seven rounds over a law requiring I leave the gun in my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Unless you want to go to a restaurant or have a beer. Off limits are bars or restaurants serving alcoholic beverages and places of worship during religious service. THAT, is gun control at it's worst. I'll take the mag restriction of seven rounds over a law requiring I leave the gun in my car.
    Not sure where your getting your info, but we can carry in restaurants, bars and churches. It's been like that for some time now. Our laws keep getting better, yours keep getting worse. Your saying VA has gun control, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    ...... THAT, is gun control at it's worst.
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    I don't know about that ...... the Sullivan Act (enacted in 1911) is one of the oldest and most obnoxious gun laws in the country. Anything that requires a civilian be licensed to touch a handgun is pretty damn lame. This is not in any way consistent with the recent Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings which declared that a citizen has a fundamental right to own and possess a handgun in his or her home for the purpose of self defense. Seems to me that a fundamental right cannot be "licensed".

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    § 18.2-308.9-J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises.

    New York State doesn't have Nanny laws like that. New York tries to weed out the immature irresponsible yahoos before they can legally purchase a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    § 18.2-308.9-J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises.

    New York State doesn't have Nanny laws like that. New York tries to weed out the immature irresponsible yahoos before they can legally purchase a gun.
    Really? Telling somebody not to drink if they carry a gun into a bar is a nanny law? I'm against most anti-gun laws, but that's just being responsible. Arguing that NY has better gun laws than VA is just a special kind of stupid, sorry. Why defend the laws of one of the most anti gun states in existence? Seriously? I willing to bet the ONLY people that defend it are the ones that live in the few pro Counties that actually give WORKING permits and have never experienced being a gun owner NY style. My area has a LOT of transplanted NY gun owners and I doubt all the identical stories are lies, minus hundreds more I read online stating the exact same thing. That would be pretty damn convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snatale42 View Post
    Really? Telling somebody not to drink if they carry a gun into a bar is a nanny law? I'm against most anti-gun laws, but that's just being responsible. Arguing that NY has better gun laws than VA is just a special kind of stupid, sorry. Why defend the laws of one of the most anti gun states in existence? Seriously? I willing to bet the ONLY people that defend it are the ones that live in the few pro Counties that actually give WORKING permits and have never experienced being a gun owner NY style. My area has a LOT of transplanted NY gun owners and I doubt all the identical stories are lies, minus hundreds more I read online stating the exact same thing. That would be pretty damn convenient.
    So Virginia has to legislate responsible behavior with firearms because it can't trust its citizens with firearms to act responsibly on their own. Yes, that is a nanny law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    So Virginia has to legislate responsible behavior with firearms because it can't trust its citizens with firearms to act responsibly on their own. Yes, that is a nanny law.
    Tell ya what when NY can:

    Purchase guns without waiting a year plus for a permit
    Open Carry
    Open Carry with no permit
    Buy the mags they want
    Defend their lives without going to jail for it
    Not have to come up with excuses to exercise a right they already have
    Start passing PRO gun laws and law to strengthen the ones they have


    THEN call VA a nanny state!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    § 18.2-308.9-J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises.

    New York State doesn't have Nanny laws like that. New York tries to weed out the immature irresponsible yahoos before they can legally purchase a gun.
    Tell you what...I will call your 7 round mags and raise you a fistful of 30 round mags along ith an unregistered ar15 or should I say 3 unregistered ar15's. You just hurry on to your little bar and count the bullets in your magazine. Hey you cn almost do it on one hand. Talk about who is being baby sat huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snatale42 View Post
    Not sure where your getting your info, but we can carry in restaurants, bars and churches. It's been like that for some time now. Our laws keep getting better, yours keep getting worse. Your saying VA has gun control, LOL!
    According to the NRA that is incorrect. The ILA makes the following statement on the NRA website...
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    "No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. It is unlawful to carry any firearm without good and sufficient reason to a place of worship while a religious meeting is being held. It is unlawful to hunt with a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic drug. (NRA-ILA | Virginia)
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    That's gun control by any measure. The only change in handgun law in NYS is the seven-round mag rule and that permits will now be renewed every five years. And that matter isn't yet settled. NY residents still enjoy the freedom to carry in bars, eateries, churches, banks... on and on. The only place where you can't carry is a school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimTh View Post
    Tell you what...I will call your 7 round mags and raise you a fistful of 30 round mags along ith an unregistered ar15 or should I say 3 unregistered ar15's. You just hurry on to your little bar and count the bullets in your magazine. Hey you cn almost do it on one hand. Talk about who is being baby sat huh.
    7 rounds on my hip is 100% better than 30 rounds in the car.
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