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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by armed-an-rdy View Post
    riffmaker states he can carry all the time with a restricted ccw. i ask if he was rite or wrong . i need a yes or no answer.
    Here is my post. Show me where it says I will carry all the time. Prove to me when and where I carry is outside my restrictions. If not, we can end this thread. Which should have been done about 50 posts ago.

    I never said that I would carry full time. Here is when I carry. Monday through Friday I work( remember I have an exception from the judge for work), so I carry all day during the week. On Saturday and Sunday I carry when Im fishing, hiking, camping or at the range. So basically I carry everyday. The times I cant carry are evenings when I am not doing anything recreational. So when I get home after work Monday - Friday, I dont carry if I leave the house to shop or have dinner or to visit a friend. Same goes for Saturday and Sunday. If I leave the house after my recreational activities, I dont carry. If I join a 24/7 range, I would carry to and from the range. Since I do work sometimes late at night, I may go to the range at 10pm. As I said before, my restrictions are very liberal so I can carry for most of the day everyday, but I will not jepordize my permit and carry outside my restrictions.

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  3. #82
    you said you carry 99% of the time.what changed now.do you fish and hike eveyday.

  4. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by armed-an-rdy View Post
    you said you carry 99% of the time.what changed now.do you fish and hike eveyday.

    No. The other 1% Im sleeping. But my pistol is concealed in my boxers. Please tell me its illegal to carry concealed in my boxers because my permit is restricted. I know, I have to have the pistol in my right pocket and the ammo separate in my left pocket.

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    It is not illegal to carry outside of restrictions but you do so at the risk of having it revoked. Some counties will only give unrestricted to LEOs.. Are they more deserving of protection then anybody else? It comes down to concealed means concealed and its nobody's business who has a gun unless it's pointed at you. FTW and these so called judges who think they are above the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armed-an-rdy View Post
    how rong yuo are. i dont want to argue i just want a straight anwser. this is the first time ive heard from you and your calling me names.so who is that wants to argue.and i still dont have a yes or no answer
    I went to our company attorney at PPA looking for an answer on this issue. As a former NYC DA he's well versed in this area. His response... you need to understand that the law is not black and white on any issue. There is no yes or no answer to your question. It is open to interpretation. Is he breaking the law at Walmart? NO!! He cannot be arrested. But since NY is a discretionary state a judge can revoke or suspend at will citing any number of things as just cause. Some liberal judges in discretionary states are itching for a reason to pull a permit. Others would warn him while still others would throw the issue out of their courtroom.

    Some years ago I had a female student with a sporting permit caught driving home from an evening college class with her gun. The LEO took the gun and reported her to the judge. The judge's response was to upgrade her permit to unrestricted so she wouldn't have any more problems. The response to this question varies from locality to locality. Riff certainly has enough reason to justify an unrestricted permit and could probably have his license amended.

    Everyone settle down. There really is no argument on this matter.
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  7. #86
    are you saying his restricted permit is equal to mine.how is it sportsman like if he goes to walmart at 11pm.there is a yes or no answer you just dont want to say it, so i will. heres the bottom line.if he carries out side hie restriction and the judge finds out.his license can be revoked you know it and i know it.and if thats the case that means its wrong.and if you cant admit to it your a bad instructor.nyc laws are different from nys.

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    BCI:

    I gave up on armed-an-rdy. It doesn't matter what you say, he'll twist it to say he's right. He's not worth wasting time on in my book. I admire you for trying, but it's a futile case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armed-an-rdy View Post
    are you saying his restricted permit is equal to mine.how is it sportsman like if he goes to walmart at 11pm.there is a yes or no answer you just dont want to say it, so i will. heres the bottom line.if he carries out side hie restriction and the judge finds out.his license can be revoked you know it and i know it.and if thats the case that means its wrong.and if you cant admit to it your a bad instructor.nyc laws are different from nys.
    YES!!! It is equal to yours under the defnition of the law as defined in Article 400, excluding NYC.

    I'm not a bad instructor, I 'm certified to teach the NYS Penal Law and Criminal Procedure Law. I have an attorney on staff. He says one must look past those statutes and review case law. There you'll find your answer. It's a discretionary issue state, leaving the final word to the licensing offier. Your unrestricted carry permit can also be revoked if you bend over and the gun is exposed. Try dropping it in a local diner. One phone call to police and your permit may be gone; it depends on the opinion of the icensing officer. So you really don't have an unrestricted permit. Your permit is at the leisure of the licensing officer. If he's in a bad mood today, or just generally anti-gun, you're done.

    I had a recent case of a business owner who trimmed his unrestricted permit so it would fit better in his wallet. He went to amend the permit to add a new gun an guess what happened? GONE! Revoked! It took our attorney over a year and about $7,500 in court fees to convince the judge to return it. The judge made him cry a little as a lesson. I'll bet he'll not make that mistake again.

    It's never cut /dry or yes/no or black/white in NYS. Check NYS case law. Your answer lies therein. This continued argument is pointless.

    JimPage, I agree with you. Some just won't understand how the law works in discretionary states. Not a slur on the poster, it's just ingorance of the law as most people understand it. I'll be the first to admit that the laws of NY are convoluted and confusing.
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  10. #89
    now i know your bogus.whenyou get a gun ammended they take the old license and give you a new one.why would he trim it .its the same size as your driving license.did he trim that too.maybe all this happens in bogusville[where your from]why not stick to the point i didnt ask about a buisness man or bending over.and the answer is no riffmakers restricted license is not the same as mine.im begining to think you and riffmaker are the same.if it was the same he would be able to get a non resedency permit but he cant. why why ill tell you why because its restricted.you should leave this site because you have no interest only to advertise . does the b in you name stand for bogus

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    He proved my point again. I'm done with this thread. The guy has ruined its value.

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