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    Nc Laws

    I recently moved to NC and took the CHL class a couple weeks back. I have yet to get a Tuesday or Thursday off in order to submit the application. It kills me that they only accept the applications two days a week. It kills me more that it averages 120 days to get the thing from the time you submit the application.

    With that said, I am disturbed greatly with some of the carry laws.

    1. Cannot attend a funeral or a parade carrying.
    2. The whole law "Going armed to the terror of the public." Gimme a break!
    3. Cannot carry to any place that an admission is charged (OK, I can somewhat see the crowded stadium scenario, but not in a movie theater?
    4. I can use deadly force when someone is in the act of breaking into my home, but if that same person has actually gained entry, I must satisfy ALL criteria for the use of deadly force.. AGAIN...are you kidding me?
    5. Cannot carry in a State owned park... Oh, I guess there are no violent attacks there huh?

    I thought Ohio had some bizarre restrictions....but these are past that. I hope that there are some organizations or polictical action committees here that are actively seeking reform/change to these ridiculous restrictions.

    Sorry..I'll get off the soap box.
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    Yes we really need change in NC, Grass roots NC is working on some of these
    but has not got very far . We're trying.

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    Man..Ithought it was much more progressive down here. Things move at a Snail's pace. Seems like local Sheriff's are anti CHL for law abiding citizens!
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    Sorry to hear all that Johnny. A lot of that is crap. Good luck. Ohio will always welcome you back w/ open arms brutha !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mot mayhem View Post
    Sorry to hear all that Johnny. A lot of that is crap. Good luck. Ohio will always welcome you back w/ open arms brutha !!
    Well, Ohio is not for us anymore. Just cannot deal with all that snow. But thanks...

    Back to the subject...No one is on this site from NC that has input as to why all these restrictions are in place in the South of all places?
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    Don't gimme that snow crap, man ! You haven't even missed one winter yet! I am gonna send you some down fed-ex come February to have the mrs. make a snowball and hit you w/ it !! Then, you'll be sick of the snow - lol !!!:p

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    Too funny......

    Anyway, funny how two "Ohio" guys are posting in the NC section. Yet, no one is commenting on the restrictions placed on Law Abiding NC citizens.
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  9. [QUOTE=CarolinaJohn;4772]With that said, I am disturbed greatly with some of the carry laws.

    1. Cannot attend a funeral or a parade carrying.
    2. The whole law "Going armed to the terror of the public." Gimme a break!
    3. Cannot carry to any place that an admission is charged (OK, I can somewhat see the crowded stadium scenario, but not in a movie theater?
    4. I can use deadly force when someone is in the act of breaking into my home, but if that same person has actually gained entry, I must satisfy ALL criteria for the use of deadly force.. AGAIN...are you kidding me?
    5. Cannot carry in a State owned park... Oh, I guess there are no violent attacks there huh?
    QUOTE]


    Glad I came across your post CarolinaJohn. I may be visiting NC from PA soon and after reading your post I did some research. To my horror, you are coorrect about these bizarre restrictions. What is even more bizarre is that we're talking about the South, which is hard to believe. I really don't understand the reasoning behind any of these restrictions. How long have these laws been in place? What are the criteria for use of deadly force?

    What is the atmosphere toward OC in NC? Can't find anything prohibiting it but can't find anything explicitly allowing it either.

    Any advice for an out-of-stater while CCing in NC? The main thing that caught my attention is to be wary of what type of restaurants I enter (whether they serve alcohol or not). Are doors posted with signs or anything? How would I know they serve alcohol until I looked at the menu?

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    [QUOTE=PA_SIGpacker;5016]
    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaJohn View Post
    With that said, I am disturbed greatly with some of the carry laws.

    1. Cannot attend a funeral or a parade carrying.
    2. The whole law "Going armed to the terror of the public." Gimme a break!
    3. Cannot carry to any place that an admission is charged (OK, I can somewhat see the crowded stadium scenario, but not in a movie theater?
    4. I can use deadly force when someone is in the act of breaking into my home, but if that same person has actually gained entry, I must satisfy ALL criteria for the use of deadly force.. AGAIN...are you kidding me?
    5. Cannot carry in a State owned park... Oh, I guess there are no violent attacks there huh?
    QUOTE]


    Glad I came across your post CarolinaJohn. I may be visiting NC from PA soon and after reading your post I did some research. To my horror, you are coorrect about these bizarre restrictions. What is even more bizarre is that we're talking about the South, which is hard to believe. I really don't understand the reasoning behind any of these restrictions. How long have these laws been in place? What are the criteria for use of deadly force?

    What is the atmosphere toward OC in NC? Can't find anything prohibiting it but can't find anything explicitly allowing it either.

    Any advice for an out-of-stater while CCing in NC? The main thing that caught my attention is to be wary of what type of restaurants I enter (whether they serve alcohol or not). Are doors posted with signs or anything? How would I know they serve alcohol until I looked at the menu?
    I am basically new down here in Carolina. Open carry is permitted in North Carolina, yet they have that stupid law called "Going Armed to the Terror of the Public." Which means that if someone sees your weapon and calls, you will be CHARGED with a violation of the State Gun Laws. That boils down to having your license taken, legal fees and quite possibly the loss of that firearm.

    Google North Carolina and that Law. I hope you find it as disturbing as I do. CHL in North Carolina is not as old as I thought. I think they adopted legislation in like 1995. It's worse than Ohio who got legislation through, but accpeted restrictions imposed by the Ohio State Patrol. Since then, Ohio political action committees have worked hard for reforms and they are happening there. Kudos to Ohio!

    Here, everything moves at a snail's pace.

    To answer your question, not all estrablishments are posted. If you walk in and find that they are serving alcohol, it becomes your responsibility to leave the place and find another eatery, or to secure your weapon in the car.

    I know there are some that say just lay low and don't draw attention to your self, but I would never advise anyone to violate the law.

    My advice is this...be sure you research the Carolina laws pertaining to carrying concealed. That is true for any state you visit that you have reciprocity with. YOU MUST follow the laws of the state you are in, even if they differ from your home state. You would be hard pressed to claim, "I didn't know..." even if you actually did not know.

    I always carry a copy of the reciprocal letter between the Attorney Generals when I travel. That way when you meet an uneducated police officer, you can at least show them that you are valid and the agreement actually exists.

    Had I been smart and researched this more before I chose this state to move to..I guarantee I would have selected another State.

    I ask questions all the time down here and direct them to people who should know and all I get is the typical..."I dunno." Blows my mind!

    Florida.....Now there is a gun friendly State!

    Good luck.
    You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.

  11. Why it is the way it is...

    Welcome to NC!

    North Carolina Law has a tradition of changing very slowly over time and a lot of these regulations are to deal with problems that are no longer present. I wish they would change but I do not see it going very fast since a lot of bills to promote concealed carry died in commitee this year.

    1. Cannot attend a funeral (family vendettas) or a parade (klan rallies) carrying.

    2. The whole law "Going armed to the terror of the public." Gimme a break!

    In order to be charged with going armed to the terror of the public a person has to satisfy the following sentence fully:

    It is unlawful for a person to arm himself with any unusual and dangerous weapon (firearm) for the purpose of terrifying others and go about on public highways in a manner to cause terror to others.

    If you did not intend to cause terror to others then you are not guilty. A holstered, openly carried firearm does not fit in to that category and the state could never prove that it did as long as you did not threaten or draw your weapon unprovoked on another person.

    3. Cannot carry to any place that an admission is charged (OK, I can somewhat see the crowded stadium scenario, but not in a movie theater?)

    No clue, this prohibition is probably aimed at nightclubs (which already serve alcohol), but it should be changed because individual establishments can already decide if they want to allow weapons or not. I don't know of many stadiums and arenas that would allow firearms.

    4. I can use deadly force when someone is in the act of breaking into my home, but if that same person has actually gained entry, I must satisfy ALL criteria for the use of deadly force.. AGAIN...are you kidding me?

    I agree that this one is pretty stupid but the castle doctrine died in committee this session.

    5. Cannot carry in a State owned park... Oh, I guess there are no violent attacks there huh?

    The concealed carry in a public park bill died in committee this session as well.

    The bills that were introduced this year would have gone a long way to repealing a lot of these regulations. As I mentioned earlier, the Castle Doctrine and Park Carry Bills died in committee along with the Restaurant Protection Act. The Restaurant Protection act would allow CHP holders to carry in any establishment that has a portion that normally and customarily serves food and was originally intended to get rid of the prohibition for restaurants that serve alcohol but I think would have went a lot further since theatres, schools, some bars, etc. also serve food. Personally, I feel that if a person has a CHP, they should be able to carry everywhere as long as they do not consume alcohol. We should base prohibitions on people instead of places since crime does not stop where CHP holders cannot carry.
    Last edited by dubccat51; 10-22-2007 at 04:10 PM.

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