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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Cooper View Post
    When I opposed Medicare, there was another piece of legislation meeting the same problem before the Congress. I happened to favor the other piece of legislation and thought that it would be better for the senior citizens and provide better care than the one that was finally passed. I was not opposing the principle of providing care for them. I was opposing one piece of legislation versus another.

    --Ronald Reagan
    The "other piece of legislation" was even more socialistic than the "Forand Bill", which Reagan, in 1961, said was Socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Cooper View Post
    When I opposed Medicare, there was another piece of legislation meeting the same problem before the Congress. I happened to favor the other piece of legislation and thought that it would be better for the senior citizens and provide better care than the one that was finally passed. I was not opposing the principle of providing care for them. I was opposing one piece of legislation versus another.

    --Ronald Reagan
    Seeing as how you are a socialist and believe in dividing the wealth perhaps I can get the government to take one of your house, say the one in France and give it to me. Surely you would not mind.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    iceman, I can hardly believe that you're a fan of Michael Moore. If the Canadian medical system is so good, why have they been coming to the U. S. for their medical care, even when they have to pay out-of-pocket for said care? Are you aware that a Canadian can not pay for an MRI for themselves or a relative but can get one for a pet, if they can afford the out-of-pocket cost? What is wrong with this picture? Are you aware that the wait in the U.K. AND Canada, where socialized medicine has deep roots, for a patient to see a specialist can be 6 months to a year? Are you aware that in the U.K., if a patient has macular degeneration, they have to go blind in one eye before the government will pay for treatment to the remaining eye? Do we REALLY want that quality (?) of healthcare here? And this MYTH that the poor can't get medical care in this country is maddening. Hospitals, by law, have to accept charity patients and can not refuse anyone medical treatment. There are FREE medical clinics everywhere! IF there are some unfortunate folks who do not have access to medical care due to inability to pay, it is such a small percentage that it flies in the face of reason why our entire medical system should be overhauled for THEIR benefit, when 300 million U.S. citizens are currently being well cared for.

    If Michael Moore truly believes that the Cuban healthcare system is so great, why doesn't he put his actions where his mouth is and move there for a few years. I'd be willing to bet that he'd be singing a different tune after THAT experience!
    Mom, No, I am not a fan of MM. He is a left wing entertainer, and more anyoying then the right wing entertainers who are often quoted here. However, he has some very vaild points about heath care.

    For very personal reasons, I am not going to offer much debate regarding your so called free medical care in the USA. I can assure if you if it was as great as you think it is, then someone near and dear to me would still be around. People here are falling though the cracks and suffering. Walk a mile in my shoes, and I can assure you will be singing a different tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    Mom, No, I am not a fan of MM. He is a left wing entertainer, and more anyoying then the right wing entertainers who are often quoted here. However, he has some very vaild points about heath care.

    For very personal reasons, I am not going to offer much debate regarding your so called free medical care in the USA. I can assure if you if it was as great as you think it is, then someone near and dear to me would still be around. People here are falling though the cracks and suffering. Walk a mile in my shoes, and I can assure you will be singing a different tune.
    I am truly sorry for your loss, iceman. The untimely death of a loved one is a horrible grief that no one should have to endure. However, wouldn't it be better to 'improve" the current healthcare system so that no one falls through the cracks rather than to overhaul the ENTIRE system and, in the process, mandating that every citizen must buy health insurance and declaring what coverage each person can or cannot have? Our freedoms are slowly being eroded...even our freedom to choose our own level of healthcare. Furthermore, as a "seasoned" citizen, I am very afraid of being told, some year in the future, that I have a "responsibility to die" because my declining health is a drag on the system and I'm no longer actively contributing to the general welfare. When abortion was legalized, I remember saying, "I wonder when euthansia will be legalized?" It's not far away, Folks. And when it DOES become a reality, it won't just be the elderly whose lives will mean little...it will also be the handicapped (mentally and/or physically) and the mentally ill! WATCH OUT as this will eventually affect even you!
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    I am truly sorry for your loss, iceman. The untimely death of a loved one is a horrible grief that no one should have to endure. However, wouldn't it be better to 'improve" the current healthcare system so that no one falls through the cracks rather than to overhaul the ENTIRE system and, in the process, mandating that every citizen must buy health insurance and declaring what coverage each person can or cannot have? Our freedoms are slowly being eroded...even our freedom to choose our own level of healthcare. Furthermore, as a "seasoned" citizen, I am very afraid of being told, some year in the future, that I have a "responsibility to die" because my declining health is a drag on the system and I'm no longer actively contributing to the general welfare. When abortion was legalized, I remember saying, "I wonder when euthansia will be legalized?" It's not far away, Folks. And when it DOES become a reality, it won't just be the elderly whose lives will mean little...it will also be the handicapped (mentally and/or physically) and the mentally ill! WATCH OUT as this will eventually affect even you!
    If you walked that mile in my shoes, you wouldn't be singing the party line. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    If you walked that mile in my shoes, you wouldn't be singing the party line. Oh well.
    Even if I walked a mile in your shoes (and I do remember some comments you've made that suggested of your story), I'd like to think I was raised to be enough of an ADULT to not expect other taxpayers to start shouldering the responsibilities of my family or making decisions "for" me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Even if I walked a mile in your shoes (and I do remember some comments you've made that suggested of your story), I'd like to think I was raised to be enough of an ADULT to not expect other taxpayers to start shouldering the responsibilities of my family or making decisions "for" me.
    I kinda figured one of the right wing boys would speak up and tell me the way it should be.
    Let me tell ya the way it is. Barry Obama signed heath care reform into LAW. THE DEBATE IS OVER.
    This is a dead horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    If the Canadian medical system is so good, why have they been coming to the U. S. for their medical care.
    If the Canadian system is so bad why did a friend of mine, who resides in British Columbia, have to fly from Dallas to Vancouver to obtain immediate back surgery when he couldn't get it in the U. S?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Cooper View Post
    If the Canadian system is so bad why did a friend of mine, who resides in British Columbia, have to fly from Dallas to Vancouver to obtain immediate back surgery when he couldn't get it in the U. S?
    because he's an alien who expected us to pay the bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twogunwilly View Post
    because he's an alien who expected us to pay the bill?
    Nope. He's wealthy and was willing to pay a premium for a good surgeon who could do the surgery immediately. We just couldn't find one in Dallas. So, we loaded him up on pain killers and I flew with him to Vancouver. We went straight to the hospital and the surgery was performed the next morning. It was a success and now he's as good as new.

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