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    I didn't think they would cave in. They have a monopoly on sights for our military. Too bad...oh well, nothing that a good electric engraver can't take care of!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Mountaingoat61 View Post
    The liberals on the bus go waa waa waaa...

    How the heck does that little code of scripture "endanger" troops? If this hadn't hit the media no one, especially the enemy, would have even known about it. Like a few letters and numbers are going to make things worse for our troops. Let's OVERREACT to EVERYTHING. if the aholes want to call something a jihad, they don't need an excuse, they'll just do it.
    Overreaction sells, don't ya know. If there isn't enough real news that they want to report, the anti-American media will create some. More power to Trijicon, in my opinion.
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    @ Utimmer

    in reply to your statements:

    I believe that by issuing any equipment (optics, clothing, armor...) that has imprinted on it any form of religious symbol, acronym, hidden code...etc could be a form of proselytizing. Simply because it is being issued to all or a majority of its military. If an individual decides to take his/her own religious effects with them, then in that case it has not been mass issued from the govt.

    Take a thought towards this scenario (it may be a stretch but its the what if game..) What if one of our enemies managed to capture a platoon size (or so) group of our military. And our enemies found that every one of our military members carried with them the same religious talisman that was embedded into a piece of issued gear, and it just happened that our troops religion is completely blasphemous towards the enemy's religion. Could it then possibly be interpreted by the enemy that our govt is supporting a religious stance in a war against our enemy and their religion? Now if just a few individuals had some religious material, then it probably would not have the same impact.

    oh yeah, going to the numbers/letters thing. I agree that what is printed on the side of the optics is just a serious of letters and numbers. However, these letters/numbers are just like any other acronym or abbreviation. They represent or correspond to something else. In this particular case they just happen to correspond to a religious scripture.

    I also agree that trijicon makes the best optics, and on that note, for them to imprint a relevant and fitting phrase on their optics (in a condensed form) was a pretty great idea. And if trijicon had a better PR dept, they could have probably spun this into a different direction, instead of saying it was because they are a christian organization, and this was one way that they spread the word (I'm sure this is not how it really went down, but for arguments sake...), they could have said something simple like: We know we have the best optics, and this imprint on the side of our optics refers back to a quote that says, you do not need to have fear, because you have the light to see and conquer evil, which is provided by us. (Loosely quoted, of course).

    I do hope that no one here is taking this personally, I know that I am not. I just enjoy a healthy adult discussion.

  5. #24
    Two problems here ...........

    1st ...everyone wants it their way !

    YES the Libtards don't want GOD on it

    I like god so I don't care that his name is on it

    2nd ... the "Few" rule the "Many" today

    If you don't like green, red, or blue guns DON'T buy one

    Get over your Dam-selves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlinedad View Post
    I believe that by issuing any equipment (optics, clothing, armor...) that has imprinted on it any form of religious symbol, acronym, hidden code...etc could be a form of proselytizing.
    Again, the definition of proselytize being to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte, I just don't see how this fits that description. If I want to convert someone to my religion, I can think of a couple better ways than to print scripture on an instrument that I intend to kill them with.
    Could it then possibly be interpreted by the enemy that our govt is supporting a religious stance in a war against our enemy and their religion?
    As previously stated, this is already happening. They already do believe that this is a holy war. Perhaps they would use this as "evidence" of us waging war against their religion. But removing the inscription doesn't remove their belief.
    Now if just a few individuals had some religious material, then it probably would not have the same impact.
    I don't have actual statistics, but I'm willing to bet it is more than just a few individuals. Certainly not all of our personnel, but the majority to be sure.
    I do hope that no one here is taking this personally, I know that I am not. I just enjoy a healthy adult discussion.
    Nope, no offense taken. Nothing personal. In fact, I myself am not wildly, outwardly religious, meaning I don't often engage in deep religious discussion or judge others who do not share my beliefs. I have my beliefs, but they are mine, and surely are not exactly the same as anyone elses. And to each his own. But this isn't really about religion to me. It's about some group always needing find something to ***** about. Usually religion is the target, but personal behaviors, habits, and ideas are all targets of this nonsense. It is just mind numbingly tiresome.
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    If the PROGRESSIVES don't like those that have been on the sights for almost 30 years they are bound to Love this: “Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8”
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    It occurs to me that it was pressure from Muslim groups on the federal government that prompted the pressure be passed along to Trijicon. Seems Muslims were “concerned” that the heretofore unknown and hidden message was tantamount to the federal government pursuing a “Crusade” against Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. So in reality, what happened here is that the federal government did endorse a religious view. The Muslim view.

    And I have to wonder also, does this mean that I have to remove the cross that I see every time I look through my scope now?

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    For any of a group of people like those who gather at forums like this, who would presumably be unanimous in their condemnation of the Assault Weapons Ban on the grounds that it banned nothing more than meaningless, cosmetic features of a weapon, to get all nuclear wedgied-up over this is beyond my rather impressive comprehension skills to grasp.

    I totally agree with those who say this is much ado about less than nothing.

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    I'll take one!

    Hey, if anyone has a Triji with the biblical quote on it, please let me know. I'd pay extra for that!

  10. #29
    Sorry about the response delay, I was trying to come up with some good responses ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by utimmer43 View Post
    Again, the definition of proselytize being to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte, I just don't see how this fits that description. If I want to convert someone to my religion, I can think of a couple better ways than to print scripture on an instrument that I intend to kill them with.
    In the strictest definition, having a religious symbol on something is not the same as sending out missionary's out to different countries, or having someone go door to door trying spred the "good news". However, just having the symbol (no matter what the symbol is) in plain view, and making the symbol a common occurance will have an effect on a subconcious level. If you start seeing some sign around, even if it is completely against your beliefs, or even if it totally goes against your constitution (say for instance anti-gun signs/areas), after your initial shock, you will eventually become complacent about seeing it. Once that happens then more and more of the masses will start to accept that maybe that since no one is opposing the sign/symbol then it must be okay.

    As previously stated, this is already happening. They already do believe that this is a holy war. Perhaps they would use this as "evidence" of us waging war against their religion. But removing the inscription doesn't remove their belief.
    This is also true, I'm sure they will hate us no matter what we do, no matter how much money we dump into their country, how much food we give them, how many schools we give them... Right now they have bonded together under a religous mindset (and I'm sure we can agree that a persons personal beliefs/religion is a very deep rooted mindset. Even if there is no logic or proof to support such beliefs, some people will still drink the kool-aid), so since they have become religious fanatics (from an outsiders point of view), then why give them any ammunition to use against us. "Ah ha, See those americans are trying to use their god to attack our god" (or some crap like that).

    I don't have actual statistics, but I'm willing to bet it is more than just a few individuals. Certainly not all of our personnel, but the majority to be sure.
    I dont know the actual number either. However I do know that when I was in the only jewlry that was allowed to be worn was wedding rings, and religious symbols. And the latter had to be covered, and not visible in uniform.

    Nope, no offense taken. Nothing personal. In fact, I myself am not wildly, outwardly religious, meaning I don't often engage in deep religious discussion or judge others who do not share my beliefs. I have my beliefs, but they are mine, and surely are not exactly the same as anyone elses. And to each his own. But this isn't really about religion to me. It's about some group always needing find something to ***** about. Usually religion is the target, but personal behaviors, habits, and ideas are all targets of this nonsense. It is just mind numbingly tiresome.
    Agreed, and since every one has just a little bit different belief especially when it comes to religion, it is the easiest thing to use to cause contriversy.

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    It must have been a slow news day. I observe the lib press does their best to stir the pot. Not worth the air time, or for that matter the time I have spent commenting on a real non-issue.

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