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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    I don't get your point, Iceman. We can all agree that we are a nation of immigrants...that's not in question. The real crux of it is that when the Italians came over, they didn't politic to change the way we conducted our American life. When the Irish came over, they didn't politic to change the way we conducted our American life. When the Poles, the Greeks, the Jews, the Germans, the French, Swedes, Russians, etc., etc., ad nauseum...came over, they didn't politic to change the way we conducted our American life. Who are these people that we should change the way we do things to accommodate them and their "special needs"???

    You can make certain assumptions about people who choose to immigrate here:

    • They are coming because they want to be here more than they want to remain where they are...
    • They want this because they desire to partake of the Freedoms and other benefits that America has to offer...
    • They want the fruits of their labors to contribute to the growth and strengthening of their adopted homes...
    • The wish to live the American lifestyle and take a shot at achieving their vision of the American Dream...


    If a group of people subsequently decide they want to change our ways to suit THEIR ways, then you can scratch #1...they must like it better where they came from if they want to remold America in that image. If that's the case, why don't they just stay where they are...?? I'll tell you...

    It's because we offer them the freedom to TAKE from us...our hospitality, our freedoms to live and pursue and enjoy...without the requirement that they give anything back. Welfare, health care, education...it's all available to them here, frequently at little or no cost. In other words, they are parasites...they feed off the host without providing any benefit. Another term might be 'Blood Suckers'.

    You don't need a civics lesson, I'm sure, but you might want to rethink your definition of an "Immigrant"... in 'Statue of Liberty' terms, anyway.

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    Islam is more than a religion it is a political system. They will not be satisfied until we are under Sirrah Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    I don't get your point, Iceman. We can all agree that we are a nation of immigrants...that's not in question. The real crux of it is that when the Italians came over, they didn't politic to change the way we conducted our American life. When the Irish came over, they didn't politic to change the way we conducted our American life. When the Poles, the Greeks, the Jews, the Germans, the French, Swedes, Russians, etc., etc., ad nauseum...came over, they didn't politic to change the way we conducted our American life. Who are these people that we should change the way we do things to accommodate them and their "special needs"???

    You can make certain assumptions about people who choose to immigrate here:

    • They are coming because they want to be here more than they want to remain where they are...
    • They want this because they desire to partake of the Freedoms and other benefits that America has to offer...
    • They want the fruits of their labors to contribute to the growth and strengthening of their adopted homes...
    • The wish to live the American lifestyle and take a shot at achieving their vision of the American Dream...


    If a group of people subsequently decide they want to change our ways to suit THEIR ways, then you can scratch #1...they must like it better where they came from if they want to remold America in that image. If that's the case, why don't they just stay where they are...?? I'll tell you...

    It's because we offer them the freedom to TAKE from us...our hospitality, our freedoms to live and pursue and enjoy...without the requirement that they give anything back. Welfare, health care, education...it's all available to them here, frequently at little or no cost. In other words, they are parasites...they feed off the host without providing any benefit. Another term might be 'Blood Suckers'.

    You don't need a civics lesson, I'm sure, but you might want to rethink your definition of an "Immigrant"... in 'Statue of Liberty' terms, anyway.

    One man's opinion...

    Damn well said.
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    Please tell me you don't take his tripe as serious?

    Xenophobia is a dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself. It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself, usually in the context of visibly differentiated minorities.[citation needed]
    According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), the word xenophobia consists of two parts: xeno (a combining form meaning "guest, stranger, person that looks different, foreigner") and phobia, ("fear, horror or aversion, especially if morbid").[1]

    It is more broadly defined in the Dictionary of Psychology "a fear of strangers". [2] As defined by the OED, it can mean a fear of or aversion to, not only persons from other countries, but other cultures, subcultures and subsets of belief systems; in short, anyone who meets any list of criteria about their origin, religion, personal beliefs, habits, language, orientations, or any other criteria. While some will state that the "target" group is a set of persons not accepted by the society, in reality only the phobic person need hold the belief that the target group is not (or should not be) accepted by society. While the phobic person is aware of the aversion (even hatred) of the target group, they may not identify it or accept it as a fear.

    As with all phobias, a xenophobic person has to genuinely think or believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner. This arguably separates xenophobia from racism and ordinary prejudice in that someone of a different race does not necessarily have to be of a different nationality. In various contexts, the terms "xenophobia" and "racism" seem to be used interchangeably, though they can have wholly different meanings (xenophobia can be based on various aspects, racism being based solely on race and ancestry).

    Xenophobia has two main objects:

    The first is a population group present within a society that is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries, or became part of this society through conquest and territorial expansion. This form of xenophobia can elicit or facilitate hostile and violent reactions, such as mass expulsion of immigrants, pogroms or in other cases, genocide.

    The second form of xenophobia is primarily cultural, and the objects of the phobia are cultural elements which are considered alien. All cultures are subject to external influences, but cultural xenophobia is often narrowly directed, for instance, at foreign loan words in a national language. It rarely leads to aggression against individual persons, but can result in political campaigns for cultural or linguistic purification.
    Xenophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Please tell me you don't take his tripe as serious?

    Xenophobia is a dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself. It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself, usually in the context of visibly differentiated minorities.[citation needed]
    According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), the word xenophobia consists of two parts: xeno (a combining form meaning "guest, stranger, person that looks different, foreigner") and phobia, ("fear, horror or aversion, especially if morbid").[1]

    It is more broadly defined in the Dictionary of Psychology "a fear of strangers". [2] As defined by the OED, it can mean a fear of or aversion to, not only persons from other countries, but other cultures, subcultures and subsets of belief systems; in short, anyone who meets any list of criteria about their origin, religion, personal beliefs, habits, language, orientations, or any other criteria. While some will state that the "target" group is a set of persons not accepted by the society, in reality only the phobic person need hold the belief that the target group is not (or should not be) accepted by society. While the phobic person is aware of the aversion (even hatred) of the target group, they may not identify it or accept it as a fear.

    As with all phobias, a xenophobic person has to genuinely think or believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner. This arguably separates xenophobia from racism and ordinary prejudice in that someone of a different race does not necessarily have to be of a different nationality. In various contexts, the terms "xenophobia" and "racism" seem to be used interchangeably, though they can have wholly different meanings (xenophobia can be based on various aspects, racism being based solely on race and ancestry).

    Xenophobia has two main objects:

    The first is a population group present within a society that is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries, or became part of this society through conquest and territorial expansion. This form of xenophobia can elicit or facilitate hostile and violent reactions, such as mass expulsion of immigrants, pogroms or in other cases, genocide.

    The second form of xenophobia is primarily cultural, and the objects of the phobia are cultural elements which are considered alien. All cultures are subject to external influences, but cultural xenophobia is often narrowly directed, for instance, at foreign loan words in a national language. It rarely leads to aggression against individual persons, but can result in political campaigns for cultural or linguistic purification.
    Xenophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    There is one problem when you throw around the charge of xenophobia. The fear that Muslim immigrants are deliberatley seeking to undermine and change America to a more Islamic country is not illogical or abnormal. It has been demonstrated in Europe that immigrant Muslims have no interest in becoming a part of their new society. Instead, they want to be able to run their enclaves in accordance with their own laws, not the laws of the host country. And they want the host country to modify its laws to match theirs. It is not xenophobic to see the same things starting to happen in this country, it is merely the acknowledgement of the facts on the ground.

    phobia suff.
    An intense, abnormal, or illogical fear of a specified thing: claustrophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joespahr View Post
    There is one problem when you throw around the charge of xenophobia. The fear that Muslim immigrants are deliberatley seeking to undermine and change America to a more Islamic country is not illogical or abnormal. It has been demonstrated in Europe that immigrant Muslims have no interest in becoming a part of their new society. Instead, they want to be able to run their enclaves in accordance with their own laws, not the laws of the host country. And they want the host country to modify its laws to match theirs. It is not xenophobic to see the same things starting to happen in this country, it is merely the acknowledgement of the facts on the ground.
    phobia suff.
    An intense, abnormal, or illogical fear of a specified thing: claustrophobia.

    The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
    Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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    You are 110% on that statement!!! "He who does not study history is doomed to repeat it..." Famous quote and very applicable here too, N BTY same goes for the Illegals....
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    Quote Originally Posted by joespahr View Post
    phobia suff.
    An intense, abnormal, or illogical fear of a specified thing: claustrophobia.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.
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