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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    That's odd. Maybe you should take a look at this Snope's which says it's True:

    snopes.com: Barack Obama and the National Anthem

    Thank you for confirming my point!
    Before Nov. 2, 2008 it was listed as FALSE.

    Example 3; Did Obama say 57 states? true
    BUT... He was tired!!!!!! Oh! And Kenia has 57 states!!

    Hippies!!

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    Some People Just Have Their Minds made Up

    Some interesting details in this Time Magazine article:

    All of the subjects were given full, written rebuttals of the rumors, as provided by the Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org, as well as by the St. Petersburg Times's Politifact, which has won a Pulitzer Prize for its accuracy as a fact-checking source. After reading the material, however, only 28% of the subjects rejected the rumors, while another 35% at least acknowledged that there was some merit to the new information. (More on Time.com: Photos: The Health-Care Debate Turns Angry)

    How the subjects received the information, however, made a big difference. Volunteers who were also shown a picture of Rauf in the company of people in Western style clothing were likelier to reject the rumors than people who merely read the rebuttals. The picture, Garrett said, provided visual corroboration for idea that Rauf "is an American, just like the rest of us."

    Subjects who read the rebuttals and were shown a picture of Rauf in the company of people in Arab-style dress, by contrast, were less likely to reject the rumors — even though they already surely knew that such traditionally garbed people would heavily populate Rauf's world. Rejection of the rumors also plummeted among subjects who read the rebuttals along with Rauf's words about America's shared responsibility for 9/11.

    What was most disturbing to the researchers was not just how easy it is to manipulate people's belief systems with insinuating pictures or inflammatory quotes — if it weren't easy, negative political ads wouldn't work. More troubling was that, even in the best of circumstances, fewer than a third of people were willing to reverse their positions, regardless of the contradictory evidence they were given. Part of this was almost certainly due to the limitations of the study itself. (More on Time.com: Never Mind the Tea Party. Can a 'Liberal Gene' Make You a Party Animal?).

  4. If you believe it, then you must not believe it.

    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    For those of you that think snopes is god when it comes to knowing the truth or not. By the way you might want to check this out on snopes.

    I present this for your own evaluation.
    Who "Snopes" are was written up in READERS DIGEST and agrees with this account.
    (no politcal bias was mentioned in the article).

    SNOPES EXPOSED

    ...

    A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the Internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelson's claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on snopes.com. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place.

    ...

    I have found this to be true also! Many videos of Obama I tried to verify on Snopes and they said they were False. Then they gave their liberal slant! I have suspected some problems with snopes for some time now, but I have only caught them in half-truths. If there is any subjectivity they do an immediate full left rudder.

    Truth or Fiction, is a better source for verification, in my opinion.
    TruthOrFiction.com-Is that forwarded email Truth or Fiction? Research into stories, scams, hoaxes, myths, and urban legends on the Internet
    I can't believe no one has yet pointed out that TruthOrFiction.com, the "better source for verification", says that the claim in the Internet rumor about Snopes.com is false.

    TruthOrFiction.com: Snopes.com is a secret tool of the Democratic Party to promote Barack Obama- Fiction!

    Quote Originally Posted by TruthOrFiction-Article
    One of the versions of the eRumor mentions TruthOrFiction.com and recommends our site. We appreciate that, but we want to say for the record that we've had nothing to do with this eRumor about Snopes.com and we condemn it.
    So the Internet Rumor says that Snopes.com is untrustworthy because it promotes false information, and TruthOrFiction is better because it does not promote false information. However, TruthOrFiction says that Snopes.com is trustworthy. Therefore, if you believe this Internet Rumor, then you must not believe this Internet Rumor, because the Internet Rumor promotes the "false idea" that TruthOrFiction provides truthful information, which makes the Internet Rumor (by its own internal logic) untrustworthy.

    An Internet Rumor being logically inconsistent? Say it ain't so!

    In any case, FactCheck.org contacted State Farm and confirmed that Corporate State Farm had asked Gregg to take down the sign. They even posted the letter they got from State Farm (PDF link) confirming that what Snopes.com said was true: Gregg was asked by State Farm to take down the sign. So the Internet Rumor itself promoted false information right from the start.

  5. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by banders View Post
    An Internet Rumor being logically inconsistent? Say it ain't so!
    I heard an internet rumor that all these internet rumors were being spread by former USA Carry member theicemanmpls.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by DeathNACan View Post
    Eric Shinseki
    U.S. Army general

    Secretary of Veterans Affairs

    Shinseki graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1965 with a bachelor's degree. He earned an M.A. in English literature from Duke University. He has also taken the Armor Officer Advanced Course and attended the Army Command and General Staff College and the National War College. He received two Purple Hearts and four Bronze Star Medals for his service in Vietnam. He then served for more than ten years in Europe. Shinseki was named a lieutenant general and deputy chief of staff for operations and planning in 1996. The following year, he was promoted to general, later being made commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, the allied land forces in Central Europe, and the NATO force in Bosnia. In 1998 he was named vice chief of staff of the army, and was chief of staff from 1999 until he retired in 2003.

    This is a communist?
    Aha! He got a humanities degree from a university. Universities are all run by Commies! They got to him there and made him a sleeper agent in the U.S. Military. In Vietnam his Commie friends helped him get his medals, so no one would have any reason to suspect his veneer of patriotism. Europe, home of Socialists, only strengthened his Commie resolve. Bosnia, as we all know, used to be a land of Commies, so his handlers transmitted secret messages to him without anyone knowing about it (because Commies are all amazingly smart until we need them to be amazingly stupid) through the secret Bosnian Commie Peoples Resistance Movement!

    Thus he is a COMMIE!

    Q.E.D.

    (or something like that... )

  7. Be truthfully annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I heard an internet rumor that all these internet rumors were being spread by former USA Carry member theicemanmpls.
    Just sayin' that it doesn't make any sense to rant about things you read about on the Internet without doing a little fact checking. Eventually you'll get past the belief point of no return (where you believe the Internet Rumor even after having Bud Gregg tell you in person that State Farm told him to take down the sign) and be stuck saying things which aren't true for the rest of your life.

    Far better to rant about true things. Then people will still find you annoying but they'll still have to grudgingly admit you are right about those things.

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  9. Then in a nutshell, if you:

    1. Make people angry
    2. Make people affraid
    3. Appeal to their prejudices

    then emotion will most likely outweigh reason. What a novel idea! Who else in history knew about this and was a master at using such tactics to further his party's agenda? Joseph Goebbles perhaps. The minister of what?

    Has anyone else noticed that the political party who seems to benefit the most from these things isn't going out of its way to condem those who make such allogations or deny them as false.

    Did anyone catch Bill O'Reilly of Fox News on Bill Maher's Real Time trying to explain, basically, that there was a difference between 'the'opinion people' and 'the hard-news people' when it came to journalistic integrigity and being responsible for reporting facts correctly.

    Here's a link to the full interview:

    Bill Maher Takes Bill O'Reilly to Task for Fox's 'Reporting' of Obama's $200M a Day Trip to India | Video Cafe

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Some interesting details in this Time Magazine article:

    All of the subjects were given full, written rebuttals of the rumors, as provided by the Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org, as well as by the St. Petersburg Times's Politifact, which has won a Pulitzer Prize for its accuracy as a fact-checking source. After reading the material, however, only 28% of the subjects rejected the rumors, while another 35% at least acknowledged that there was some merit to the new information. (More on Time.com: Photos: The Health-Care Debate Turns Angry)

    How the subjects received the information, however, made a big difference. Volunteers who were also shown a picture of Rauf in the company of people in Western style clothing were likelier to reject the rumors than people who merely read the rebuttals. The picture, Garrett said, provided visual corroboration for idea that Rauf "is an American, just like the rest of us."

    Subjects who read the rebuttals and were shown a picture of Rauf in the company of people in Arab-style dress, by contrast, were less likely to reject the rumors — even though they already surely knew that such traditionally garbed people would heavily populate Rauf's world. Rejection of the rumors also plummeted among subjects who read the rebuttals along with Rauf's words about America's shared responsibility for 9/11.

    What was most disturbing to the researchers was not just how easy it is to manipulate people's belief systems with insinuating pictures or inflammatory quotes — if it weren't easy, negative political ads wouldn't work. More troubling was that, even in the best of circumstances, fewer than a third of people were willing to reverse their positions, regardless of the contradictory evidence they were given. Part of this was almost certainly due to the limitations of the study itself. (More on Time.com: Never Mind the Tea Party. Can a 'Liberal Gene' Make You a Party Animal?).

  10. get real

    Snopes.com | FactCheck.org

    dumb-ass threads like this discredit our cause.

  11. Snopes exposed

    Wikipedia isn't exactly a bastion of truth. It is also suspect, and prints opinions supposedly "verified" by the authors. This all sounds like a bit of paranoia to me. Liberals could say the same thing about conservatives that the conservatives are accusing the liberals of. Even if the Mikkelsons are a "mom & pop" operation with no experience in investigative research, that doesn't necessarily discredit their work on snopes.com. Heck, Obama got elected President of the USA with less than 2 years of experience as a senator. For now, I'll still check snopes for reliability....but I'm not drinking Dr. Pepper because they subliminally print atheist quotes on their cans. I know this is true because my second counsin's sister's neighbor's hair dresser had a client who told her.
    Last edited by nye409; 11-24-2010 at 08:42 PM. Reason: typo

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