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    Questions about the Bible

    This is about as far "off subject" in some ways and some not. Iceman stated this "..took me four years to read the bible. i reckon I understand a good deal of it. It wasn't what I expected in a lot of places".....................
    Jesus was speaking to His disciples about Luke 23 and told them to buy a sword to carry if they did not have one. One of them said "here, I have two" and Jesus replied "it is enough". He does not intend for us to be unarmed and at the mercy of thugs/etc.
    Now, Iceman--what did you, or anyone not understand about the Bible?? I am not a Biblical scholar but am sure there are some who can adequately answer any questions/doubts/concerns we may have. Be specific and let's do them one by one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    Oh yeah, I agree -- this might be good!
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

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    Please, none like- how many angels can fit on the head of a pin or where did Cain get his wife--lol.

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    -06 IMO, the bible is mostly a work of fiction. Not all but most. God didn't write the bible, men did.
    Remember, that is my opinion. Many will disagree and that is fine. -06, I don't know if you and forgive me, if I have misjudged you. Please don't call me names, or tell me bad things will happen. Like others in here. That is really childish. Some will resort to slinging bible quotes just in an attempt to impress me, or others. Perhaps to impress their self. Some use bible quotes to justify there behavior, right or wrong. Some use quotes to spew hatred, and prejudice. I would if this is really what Jesus said a very long time ago?


    The bible can be a complicated reference source. I have quoted it once in here, and felt very uncomfortable. Some have put countless time in trying to grasp its concepts. Why they can even put verses together to make others send money. I prefer other sources of reference, and instruction.



    IMO, the bible is control, and guidance for weak minded people. It is a comfort for many in times of hardship, and happiness. This is all fine with me. Do what makes you feel good.
    If it works for you, and those you know, I am all for it.
    It is just not my cup of tea.


    If you recall I pasted a picture, next to a quote about "taking four years to read the bible"
    The picture was of Karl Childers. The quote also belonged to Karl. A triple homicidal mentally handicapped man.



    IMO, this website is about firearms carry, and anything concerning firearms.



    I really don't understand why some in here think it is a way to express religious views. There are several sites dedicated for that very purpose.
    Sorry, you couldn't help. But, thank you for your kind offer.



    You want to talk about firearms related topics, I would entertain that. The bible, thanks, but no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    1) IMO, the bible is mostly a work of fiction. Not all but most. God didn't write the bible, men did.
    Remember, that is my opinion.

    2)Some use bible quotes to justify there behavior, right or wrong. Some use quotes to spew hatred, and prejudice. I would if this is really what Jesus said a very long time ago?


    3)IMO, the bible is control, and guidance for weak minded people. It is a comfort for many in times of hardship, and happiness. This is all fine with me. Do what makes you feel good.
    If it works for you, and those you know, I am all for it.
    It is just not my cup of tea.
    Thanx for taking the time to express your view on things..

    I'd like to respond... I've numbered your items above... You might be surprised by my views, at least some of them.. (I am NOT trying to convince you.. I just think a response needs to be provided to your views; otherwise, you would just feel IGNORED...

    1) A lot of people view the bible the way you do... I did too for a while...
    What I found out is several different points about the Bible..
    1) The Manuscript evidence.. There have been many sections of the early text found (The Dead Sea Scrolls for an example) and in almost all cases, what is found it the "Translation" Bibles (As opposed to Paraphrase Bibles) we have today are very accurate to the texts found from as early as the 3rd Century (Much older for the old testament). So what you get from an NIV or King James is very accurate considering the length of time since each section was written.
    2) Archeological records. - Time and time again the Bible has been found to be very accurate in it's "stories" about ancient times. Scientist have historically often said.. There is NO evidence that this group of people ever existed that the Bible mentions.. Then some years later, they will find a Mesopotamian tablet that mentions the people..
    3) Prophetic - A little over 80% of the Bibles Prophecies have been fulfilled (some have yet to be fulfilled). Most of these Prophecies were written more than 100 years earlies one fulfilled prophecy in the Koran, and it came true in less than 50 years.) So - Take a shot at it.. Give r, and the fulfillment is very accurate in many details. (not to offend, but to provide a comparison, there ime 5 details about a single event in the future, oh yeah, and make it more than 100 years from now..
    4) Statistics - it is Statistically preposterous that any or all of the Bible’s very specific, detailed prophecies could have been fulfilled through chance, good guessing, or deliberate deceit. When you look at some of the improbable prophecies of the Old and New Testaments, it seems incredible that skeptics — knowing the
    authenticity and historicity of the texts — could reject the statistical verdict.

    The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years by forty different human authors in three different languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek), on hundreds of subjects. And yet there is one consistent, non-contradictory theme that runs through it all: God’s redemption of humankind. Clearly, Statistical probability is a powerful indicator of the trustworthiness of Scripture.

    2) - I'm fully with you on the 1st part of your statement.. I do NOT understand why people that believe suddenly feel it is their job to judge others, place themselves above others, slander others, etc. etc.. There is absolutely NOTHING they did (other than accept the gift of grace) that makes them one bit better of a person.. Whether you believe or not, you sin against God.. It is in our nature and can not be avoided. It is ONLY what God did that allows them to escape the consequences of their thoughts/actions.. Most Christians really PISS ME OFF!!! They are either Bashing someone, or so apathetic that it's sickening...
    If you care to look, my favorite scripture deals with this topic.. James 4:11-12

    3) This is a very common view and I will address your statement "guidance for weak minded people"
    Yeah, People just like..
    Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Max Born, Enrico Fermi, Karl Friedrich Gauss, Carl Linnaeus, Alexander Fleming, J.R.R. Tolkien, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington Carver
    Just a bunch of Brainless nitwits who needed guidance to fight their way out of a wet paper bag..

    Sorry, I can't go along with you on this point.. However, I'd like to counter the point, IF I may.., It is very hard to create a "system" that The Smartest of the Smart can never fully comprehend and grasp all aspects of the topic, and yet the very simple minded can grasp the concept..

    I, for one, am very glad that you don't have to be an Isaac Newton to figure out the message of salvation, and God's unconditional love for his creation, I would have never gotten there, I assure you!!!

    I respect your views, I really do.. I would fight for the right for you to have YOUR views..
    That's the great thing.. We all have choices..
    But as in all things.. Choices have consequences, some good, some bad..

    Thanks for taking the time to respond Iceman..
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  8. Dear Iceman, "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." There are reports of several people that began reading the Bible to prove it wrong only to be converted by this book.

    That is how I became a Christian myself when I was confronted with its truth. Many topics to focus on in the Bible.

    Question, have you read the Bible? BTW, just because a crazy homicidal maniac likes to read the Bible, is that proof it is wrong?

    If there are any specific issues of where people feel that the Bible is wrong, that might be a place to take this discussion.

    Cheers,

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    I will be the last to try to shove Christianity down anyone's throat by making them feel guilty or shamed. Jesus did not minister that way and no one else should. I love to put a round exactly where I want it to go and have done so to some extent. To place a bullet where you want it one has to consider many factors. Of course trajectory, cross winds, speed of target(if moving), trigger pull, breathing, etc. Life is the same way. One needs to determine his "target" or how far it is to his destination. Then a smart person will start laying the ground work to achieve it. Does his education adequately prepare him, on the job training, background enough to deal with the stress?? As he rises to the crest of his "trajectory" and starts down has he prepared for the impact at the end of travel. As the "bullet" slows will it have enough retained force to "take care of business"??
    Now I have strayed way off the Bible subject but life is the same as shooting. Without proper care in life one will never arrive at where God wants them to be. Some scoff at the Bible, ridicule it, and even burn it. There are things happening in Jerusalem today that are prophetically astounding. Going back to Jesus's last few minutes as a live person he only "batted 50%" of the people closest to Him physically. One thief wanted to go into His awaiting kingdom and the other scoffed. Disbelief is nothing new or fancy. Agnostics have been around since before Jesus was born--and atheists also--nothing unusual.
    If there is some particular spot that you do not believe then let's address it. Spit it out and let's dig around some. I need the practice to keep my mind out of the gutter. There is soooo much that I do not know/understand about the Bible so who knows--we may learn something together. You "game"??????????

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    Lightbulb A Challenge for theicemanmpls

    read the bible and prove any part of it wrong, and since the bible is "mostly a work of fiction" then that should be no problem for someone as informed as you are.........
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

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    I'm a believer in "seed planting," and "Preaching what you practice," as far as talking to people about ideas and questions about Christianity, but this subject is as divided as abortion and second amendment rights. Don't forget the big three issues that can make or break a marriage: money, sex, and religion!
    I guess in closing I will say it is impotant to know why you believe, or why you don't believe, though people can divide over that too, I guess!

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