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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    I'm not being disrespectful to your faith. I'm pointing out that it's silly of God to have unconditional love for everyone but then allow people to die because of their beliefs. If God loves us and is all-powerful, can't he and wouldn't he want to stop his children from being killed?

    I'm only trying to stir rational questions. Many of you seem very threatened and insulted by rational thought. Why is that?
    One persons rational thought is another persons "bull" baiting. I am not threatened by your disbelief. Why does our belief threaten and insult you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    I'm not being disrespectful to your faith. I'm pointing out that it's silly of God to have unconditional love for everyone but then allow people to die because of their beliefs. If God loves us and is all-powerful, can't he and wouldn't he want to stop his children from being killed?

    I'm only trying to stir rational questions. Many of you seem very threatened and insulted by rational thought. Why is that?
    I am neither a strong christian, nor a particularly religious person, but it is hard to say that someones god is "silly" then say you are not being disrespectful. That would be illogical.

    This was not a logical or rational question from you. You can believe in the bible and also a thing called free will. If you believe in God you can still believe he allows us our freedoms. That includes the freedom to make mistakes and yes, sometimes actually die.

    Just being an athiest only makes one think they are supremely rational, it is not necessarily so. Lack of belief is not by definition rational or logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Sheldon, they already know their place, and who will put them in that place. God's Truth is the atheists greatest fear, and that fear is the fuel that energizes their insults and their hatred. Atheists are very frightened, disillusioned, miserable people wanting company. Christians are very secure in their knowledge of God and the truth of His word; this is evident in the peace and joy that we share contrary to that of the atheist. Their father the devil (Satan) is the father of All Lies, contrary to our Father (God) Who is All Truth. Don't let them anger you, don't let them bait you, be still, Let God Be God.
    I've refrained from posting here until now, but oh, well... here we go...

    I am an atheist.

    I was raised in a Christian household by loving parents. I began to question "my" faith (that is to say, the faith instilled in me by my parents; no child is capable of understanding what's involved and making their own conscious, informed decision on the matter) when I was in my teens, and over the course of years began to understand I did not believe as so many others did. I've come to the understanding that I simply don't believe in a god (or the devil), an afterlife, or spirits. And I'm ok with that.

    I've never judged others for their beliefs, as I've seen faith do wonderful things for people. Anything which helps someone overcome their shortcomings and be a better person is not to be mocked or derided. I give respect to all people, until they prove unworthy. In return, I expect the same treatment.

    I am not afraid. What is there to be afraid of? I am not disillusioned, not in the sense I think you mean. (If instead you refer to the dictionary definition of, "freeing from illusion or false belief," then yes, I suppose I am.) I am not miserable. I've led a happy and productive life thus far, with good friends and a family I would do anything for. I am not wanting for company, either. I am surrounded by friends and peers, of all races and creeds.

    I hate no one. There is no hatred in me. Occasional anger, frequent frustration, but never hatred.

    I've known plenty of self-proclaimed Christians who were anything but secure; they felt the need to lash out at anyone else who didn't share their beliefs. I am seeing a lot of that lately, from all sides.

    Your statements are ignorant, judgmental and just plain wrong. You're issuing blanket statements which are on no level accurate.

    If you truly believe what you've stated, and to the degree to which you've stated it, I find it to be a pathetically sad and narrow world view. I feel sorry for you, if this is the case.

    Live and let live. Don't judge me, and I'll return the favor.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by buddy View Post
    Lack of belief is not by definition rational or logical.
    But continuing to believe in something that makes no sense definitely irrational.

    Let's assume there's a God. ok. And let's assume Jesus was the physical manifestation of God. ok.

    Why would God tell people to believe in his physical manifestation as a prerequisite for entering Heaven? How does believing in this somehow make one more worthy for the kingdom of heaven than one who doesn't? And why would God bother to go to all this trouble when he could easily expel Satan and Hell? If he loves us and truly doesn't want us to burn for all eternity, why bother manifesting into a human, running around Israel for 33 years, having yourself killed, reincarnating yourself, and then disappearing for an unset amount of time promising to return? It seems very silly and without a point for an omnipotent being.

    Does no one have an answer? I'm merely asking questions. Why are people so offended when their beliefs are questioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    Now you have me curious. What are you planning on doing? Typing some words on this site in retaliation? Or were you hinting at something that might possibly be illegal?
    No its called a reality check, and you need one real bad...... only those that are so convinced of their opinion and wish to force it on those that they are willing to harm others do illegal stuff, you know kind of like radical Muslims, right to lifers, tree hugger, and sometimes Atheist....

    Why would God tell people to believe in his physical manifestation as a prerequisite for entering Heaven? How does believing in this somehow make one more worthy for the kingdom of heaven than one who doesn't? And why would God bother to go to all this trouble when he could easily expel Satan and Hell? If he loves us and truly doesn't want us to burn for all eternity, why bother manifesting into a human, running around Israel for 33 years, having yourself killed, reincarnating yourself, and then disappearing for an unset amount of time promising to return? It seems very silly and without a point for an omnipotent being.

    Does no one have an answer? I'm merely asking questions. Why are people so offended when their beliefs are questioned?
    N No we are not offended by your rational and politely asked questions, just is some of us are not theologians schooled in the deep reasoning behind Gods actions, however some of them are just easy to figure out by reading the bible.... those in power want acknowledgment, look at BHO the little megalomaniac, wants and craves people to look up to and worship him... and he is not even close to the level of GOD, who cast out Satin who incidentally was the most beautiful and vain of all the arch angels, would God kill one of his own, no but he lets free will reign, and that is why we have people like BHO, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot.... N being Omnipotent yes he already knows how this will all end.....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    No its called a reality check, and you need one real bad...... only those that are so convinced of their opinion and wish to force it on those that they are willing to harm others do illegal stuff, you know kind of like radical Muslims, right to lifers, and Athiest....
    Yes, I need a reality check.

    You believe in a book that says an invisible man in the sky created the world in a week. That the invisible man flooded it and put two of every animal on a boat. That he gave a man the power to split the sea in two. That he told the Jews to unapologetically slay their enemies, and then he makes a complete 180 a thousand years later and tells everyone to turn the other cheek and love one another. That he says he loves all of us and then allows evil and suffering to exist in the world. That he somehow is omnipotent and knows our thoughts and future thoughts, yet he for some reason insists on us praying to him. And that he magically manifested himself into a man in order to save us from a fiery realm he could easily destroy in an instant if he so wished.

    And I don't believe in fairy tales.

    Yes, I need a reality check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    lol, your invisible god loves you and allows you to die for your beliefs? That's silly of God. And you do realize that we can impeach Obama, right? We don't have to wait until 2012.
    Midnight, since you seem so knowledgeable about our Constitutional Republic, I am surprised that you don't know that "We, the people" don't impeach a sitting President...Congress takes on that task. It's just common sense that, as long as the Democrats hold a majority in both Houses, they will never impeach B. O.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    Midnight, since you seem so knowledgeable about our Constitutional Republic, I am surprised that you don't know that "We, the people" don't impeach a sitting President...Congress takes on that task. It's just common sense that, as long as the Democrats hold a majority in both Houses, they will never impeach B. O.
    My apologies CW&M, yes I am aware that both branches of Congress need to vote for his impeachment: a majority in the House and 2/3 in the Senate. But "we the people" can urge our Congress to pass said votes. So if it weren't for apathy, I think Congress would be forced to recognize a proposed impeachment process if hundreds of millions of people demanded it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    Yes, I need a reality check.

    You believe in a book that says an invisible man in the sky created the world in a week. That the invisible man flooded it and put two of every animal on a boat. That he gave a man the power to split the sea in two. That he told the Jews to unapologetically slay their enemies, and then he makes a complete 180 a thousand years later and tells everyone to turn the other cheek and love one another. That he says he loves all of us and then allows evil and suffering to exist in the world. That he somehow is omnipotent and knows our thoughts and future thoughts, yet he for some reason insists on us praying to him. And that he magically manifested himself into a man in order to save us from a fiery realm he could easily destroy in an instant if he so wished.

    And I don't believe in fairy tales.

    Yes, I need a reality check.
    That week thing is well known to be a week of Gods time not ours, go look up the passage of the guy that ascended to heaven and his time there....
    Flood look it up in the world books it happened, there are stories in almost every culture including the American Indian of the great spirit foretelling of a great flood to come and of a remarkably similar story to that of Noah....
    So what is wrong with giving acknowledgment AKA prayer and honor where it is warented.....
    "The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
    "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out!" Father John Corapi.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    That week thing is well known to be a week of Gods time not ours, go look up the passage of the guy that ascended to heaven and his time there....
    Flood look it up in the world books it happened, there are stories in almost every culture including the American Indian of the great spirit foretelling of a great flood to come and of a remarkably similar story to that of Noah....
    So what is wrong with giving acknowledgment AKA prayer and honor where it is warented.....
    You do realize that the world being flooded over happened millions of years before man ever existed, right? And the whole "weeks in God's time" is a bad argument since time is a manmade creation of measurement and God is supposed to be unconstrained by the dynamics of our universe. (Think about it. Do you really have a schedule if you transcend time and space and have no beginning and have no end?).

    And then there are some people who never asked to be born. Some people are born to crack prostitute mothers and grow up on the streets starving and afraid. Children grow up having to sell their bodies just to stay alive while your typical overweight WASP family goes into a giant church in suburbia to sing praises and hand over tons of money to maintain this dwelling that could be put to better use.

    No, I don't think God deserves praise if he allows even one child to go through this kind of existence while others live in luxury who have probably never worked for their living.

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