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    An open letter to icemanmpls

    I've seen you called a troll and many other things for your very vocal attacks on the religous people of this forum. Thread after thread of you bullying those same people. Public posts about how you were reporting this thread or this poster to Luke. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt about your motivation.

    Before I go on, I will go on record as saying that I am not a religous person, and yes, sometimes the religous bent that some threads tend to take can be onerous at best. However, I can quickly see the direction a thread is taking and stop following it if I do not like the direction it takes.

    With that said, I have seen the Religion and Guns sub forum that has been created, likely because of you and other members. I had never visited it until tonight because it was not something that I was interested in participating in.

    Why did I visit it tonight? Because I was looking at the list of sub forums and I saw that the last poster in the most recent thread was from you. I thought to myself, "what?" Why would you visit this forum if you were so against threads of that nature? After I read the thread, I understand now. You either have an agenda, or you take great pleasure in tormenting people who have beliefs that run contrary to yours. I don't really understand that mentality, and I have a new found feeling of empathy for those folks here who have been bullied by you, even if my belief system runs counter to theirs.

    The bottom line as I see it is yes, you are a troll, and yes, I feel that this great site would be a better place if you were no longer around.

    Luke, feel free to delete this post, or ban me for speaking my peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveBlues View Post
    I've seen you called a troll and many other things for your very vocal attacks on the religous people of this forum. Thread after thread of you bullying those same people. Public posts about how you were reporting this thread or this poster to Luke. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt about your motivation.

    Before I go on, I will go on record as saying that I am not a religous person, and yes, sometimes the religous bent that some threads tend to take can be onerous at best. However, I can quickly see the direction a thread is taking and stop following it if I do not like the direction it takes.

    With that said, I have seen the Religion and Guns sub forum that has been created, likely because of you and other members. I had never visited it until tonight because it was not something that I was interested in participating in.

    Why did I visit it tonight? Because I was looking at the list of sub forums and I saw that the last poster in the most recent thread was from you. I thought to myself, "what?" Why would you visit this forum if you were so against threads of that nature? After I read the thread, I understand now. You either have an agenda, or you take great pleasure in tormenting people who have beliefs that run contrary to yours. I don't really understand that mentality, and I have a new found feeling of empathy for those folks here who have been bullied by you, even if my belief system runs counter to theirs.

    The bottom line as I see it is yes, you are a troll, and yes, I feel that this great site would be a better place if you were no longer around.

    Luke, feel free to delete this post, or ban me for speaking my peace.
    I share your sentiments.

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    I don't remember attacking anyone. I didn't know I was banned from posting anywhere on this site.
    Mr Blues, you can write all the open letters you want. This has been done before. The admin/mods don't care for it.
    If I am banned for speaking my mind, then I am banned.
    Have a wonderful day Mr Blues.

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    I am a relative newbie here but I can easily see that many people left here recently. I stated my position rather plainly recently about his motives. When all the "good guys" leave it only leaves the chaff or "tares" to grow. If that is the kind of situation one desires for his site then he is successful. I can handle most any athiest/agnostic/unbeliever for I know what I know. It is the poor "babe" that gets mislead because of malicious, planned, and underhanded comments. Yep, I said it. That is the way I see it. I honestly try to be a voice of reason and not stir the pot but sometimes one just has to take a stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    I don't remember attacking anyone. I didn't know I was banned from posting anywhere on this site.
    Mr Blues, you can write all the open letters you want. This has been done before. The admin/mods don't care for it.
    If I am banned for speaking my mind, then I am banned.
    Have a wonderful day Mr Blues.
    Your post only backs up mine. Of course you are not banned from posting anywhere on this site. The fact that you actively seek to negatively post in a place the you were instrumental in creating by your opposition to the content goes a long way to explain your legacy here.

    It's a shame really. I have read many of your posts that were informative and helpful, but then you digress. The bottom line should be that if you dont like the content of the thread, then ignore it. Move on to something else. Be it another thread, or a different board, it doesn't matter. Life is too short to be an ass.

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    As disclosure, I'm personally religious and I'm not sure if religion should be a distinct focus on a personal defense firearms forum. I'm especially skeptical that the sub-forum rules can be enforced as written: "...please refrain from ALL FIGHTING, BICKERING, and INSTIGATING."

    In the history of religion almost nobody has been able to discuss all points of religion without it getting a bit heated. The rules themselves are impossible to sustain unless every reply is a chorus of "Amen." For that matter, people can't talk about American Idol without bickering.

    Playing devil's advocate here...
    People participate in discussions where they feel motivated. Motivation drives determination. Strong beliefs drive strongly worded posts. Firm beliefs that are counter to posts that refute such beliefs generate indignation, anger, refutation of claims. The questioning of a belief is seen as an attack by those not firm in their beliefs. I myself feel sure about my beliefs and I do not feel threatened by people writing books or movies refuting the existence of God, much less anyone posting comments on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    I don't remember attacking anyone.
    Have you thought about having this checked? We have come a long way in cognitive-behavioral evaluations. There IS help available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveBlues View Post
    Your post only backs up mine. Of course you are not banned from posting anywhere on this site. The fact that you actively seek to negatively post in a place the you were instrumental in creating by your opposition to the content goes a long way to explain your legacy here.

    It's a shame really. I have read many of your posts that were informative and helpful, but then you digress. The bottom line should be that if you dont like the content of the thread, then ignore it. Move on to something else. Be it another thread, or a different board, it doesn't matter. Life is too short to be an ass.
    It's an incurable disorder that is ongoing. It's gotten worse over time. Utilize the function in your user CP Titled IGNORE. It is a valuable tool that has been provided by the management here. And going forward don't quote the user and his posts will remain out of view...

    Just some information from a member who has been watching this disease progress and wondering if it's fatal?

    Peace...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    firearms and religion are as dangerous as firearms and alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post
    It's an incurable disorder that is ongoing. It's gotten worse over time. Utilize the function in your user CP Titled IGNORE. It is a valuable tool that has been provided by the management here. And going forward don't quote the user and his posts will remain out of view...

    Just some information from a member who has been watching this disease progress and wondering if it's fatal?

    Peace...
    Heres to hoping.

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